Instead of measuring
historical ideas of God by nonhistorical standards (as creeds, principles, and definitions tend to be), one ought to measure what the Bible says by using a historical norm.
Not exact matches
We must resolutely resist any such
idea, even though we may find it again today in the formulae
of modern theologians: «
Historical events express a Word
of God to the church,» or: «Christ lives in history.»
Not only is it true that the
idea of the consequent nature
of God is metaphysically dependent upon a particular
historical tradition, but I would also suggest the possibility that it is directed wholly and without remainder to what the Christian, and only the Christian, has known as the total and final presence
of God in Christ.
This is the concept
of that beyond which thought can not go, in which it completes its search for understanding, at which it really affirms only itself, and through which it relates all else.2 Leaving aside his views on its
historical character, this is what R. G. Collingwood seems to be suggesting when he says that Anselm's argument does not prove «that because our
idea of God is an ideal
of id quo maius cogitari nequit therefore
God exists, but that because our
idea of God is an
idea of id quo maius cogitari nequit we stand committed to belief in
God's existence.
Divine initiative, together with the ontological and epistemological distance assumed between man and
God, is a correlate
of the
ideas of historical revelation, grace and redemption; the gulf can only be bridged from the side
of the divine.
When people seek to defend the
idea that
God is violent «because the Bible says so,» what they are really doing is allowing the violent portrayals
of God in the Bible to override and trump the loving and merciful portrayals
of God elsewhere in Scripture, even when both portrayals are talking about the same
historical event.
(Contrary to a period in the
historical school when scholars tried to see the
God of Israel as God of Sinai [as a place], or as a god connected to Jerusalem» after which he became little by little more universal, until the birth of the idea of universali
God of Israel as
God of Sinai [as a place], or as a god connected to Jerusalem» after which he became little by little more universal, until the birth of the idea of universali
God of Sinai [as a place], or as a
god connected to Jerusalem» after which he became little by little more universal, until the birth of the idea of universali
god connected to Jerusalem» after which he became little by little more universal, until the birth
of the
idea of universalism.
We could probably hold on to the
idea of God, and some
of the
historical events in the Bible, but beyond that, most
of it would probably not be true.
Thus, if it is true, as has been claimed, that the
idea of Christendom and the doctrines
of Christian orthodoxy, were not at all what the
historical Jesus had in mind when he spoke
of the Kingdom
of God, we should not be surprised if the continuing stream
of cultural influence which he was so instrumental in re-directing should in the future manifest itself in ways very different from the conventional Christianity it later became for a period.
We are so used to thinking about the human quest for
God that we can not easily grasp the
idea of God's taking the initiative in making himself known, especially when it is affirmed that he has done so in specific
historical events and developments.
Having seen the kind
of statements about
God which appear objectionable, and having seen how
historical understanding enables us to see positive merit in them, we must still face the question, What shall we do with these
ideas today?
Must we not conclude with Lessing in The Education
of the Human Race that the aim
of God's revelation
of himself in history was to render itself superfluous by becoming an abstract
idea loosed from its
historical moorings — in fact, an understanding
of human life?
But it seemed to him that the
idea of God constituted an enormous obstacle to our need for an open - ended, limitless
historical future.
Just because you hate the
idea of god does nt negate
historical figures.
There is something remaining in the vacated space, and perhaps the
idea of one's
historical perspective or point
of view can be used to rebuild the old notion
of faith as assensus and fiducia before
God.
The
idea of historical or special revelation means, it seems to me, not only that
God acts in history but also that there is a history
of the acts
of disclosure
of God whereby the character
of existence is progressively revealed to man.
I also believe that since our
ideas about who
God is and what
God does must be defined and corrected (not just supplemented) by Christ, the fact that he lived as an outcast and died a death reserved for anti-Roman rebels is not merely a fact
of passing
historical curiosity.
His Ten Religions: An Essay in Comparative Theology dealt with the
historical origin and development
of individual religions as well as the
historical survey
of certain key
ideas and doctrines, such as doctrines
of God, man, and salvation.
Now, if I'm correct, what you meant is that you subscribed to the
idea that there's this real,
historical Fella,
God incarnate, died for the sins
of mankind, conquered death and rose again on the third day.
And Christian faith speaks about the grace
of God not as an
idea but as an act
of God: an act which reveals itself as grace in Jesus Christ, that is, in a
historical event.