But I think Wenger wants a big guy up top, someone to
hold the ball up when needed, hence why Giroud starts the majority of the time over TW.
Not exact matches
Danielle — This isn't a drop cookie; they don't
hold up well
when shaped into
balls.
His strength, his ability to
hold up the
ball and lay it off, his one touch passes in the box, his ability to tie
up a couple of defenders, his ability in the air, and,
when he is on form he scores.
It was evident at Old Trafford
when the Red Devils were
held to a 1 - 1 draw by West Ham following Diafra Sakho's early strike after he was set
up with Dimitri Payet inviting the
ball into the box from a set pieces.
Did he ever deliver in the big games
when we needed a goal from someone?For a player of his size and build he was embarrassing at times the way he rolled around on the floor in «agony» at the slightest touch.I never felt he
held up the
ball particularly well (Alan Smith anyone?)
When we are playing the bigger boys, we have to be more cautious and sit back more than we usually do i think this line
up is good as we can also attack them with pace and counter attack and we can even
hold on to the
ball more if we need to.
I still don't see how he is a super sub.He's labelled as a super sub just because of this season.Those matches
when he scored he was supposed to be played because we needed an aerial presence.A lot of those matches had he started we could've won because we needed aerial presence.But the thing is that his abilities don't suit him as a super sub.I mean he
holds up the
ball well and is great in the air and that's just about it.He's actually the one one who needs service and who needs players around him to open
up defences for him to receive the pass and not vice versa.Super subs actually provide they are not the one's to be provided for.In Giroud's case he was supposed to start in those in matches as Sanchez was not
up to the task in aerial battles.Giroud will not be able to affect a match if the opponents are as good in the air.
Sometimes you just need to throw
balls into the box and then we really lack a physical presence, which really helps
when you need to
hold a player off and give other players time to link
up.
But
when we need the
ball to be retained more and
held up, plus there is more defending to do, then in come welbeck and giroud for ox and theo..
When he's not on the field we lack the ability to
hold up the
ball, introduce others coming in from mid-field, and provide a genuine aerial threat.
... he played there against crystal palace, Everton 2 season ago and it was a disaster... our build
up is majorly done closer to d centre circle than d oppositions box... that's y girouds
hold up play is vital... either we go with dat path or we look for a striker who is lightning quick (so
when we make d final pass, it doesn't get wasted), uses both legs to shoot on sight, with good accuracy... playing Sanchez, who is not very good with his back to goal as a 9 is useless and though fast,
holds on to d
ball a lot tryn to get d best angle to shoot... we need a striker who is very intelligent with d timing of his runs... too bad Walcott is as intelligent as a sheep, cld have been d perfect cf...
He's more likely to win a hoofed
ball out of defence, then he can
hold it
up and allow the pacey players like Walcott and Alexis to sprint forward — they can run a lot faster
when they don't have to take the
ball with them
up the pitch.
He can
hold up the
ball when he is on form, he can bring others into play and IMO we should seriously consider the prospect of 2CF being a tactic so we can see the best out of Giroud alongside Lacazette.
wow are we sterile
up top, goals need to come from defense again, ozil & cech were great, mert once again taking the brunt of bad comments meanwhile a clean sheet and did nothing wrong, open goal that was saved was kos out of position and monreal caught
up the pitch too high, giroud has great
ball skills, issue is his position on the pitch, watched the match again focused on giroud, he tends to camp behind the defender from the
ball, this only works
when you have the quickness to break, he does nt, I have screen shots where ozil is 25 yrds farther
up the pitch then giroud, thisis the problem, he is rendered useless unless ozil
holds up, and thats not ozils strength, thus very few sog's from giroud on the run,
when giroud gets lucky w space in front of the defender, he is lethal, but needs to get into that space,
His
hold up play is great, but if he had more pace we could've played splitting vertical
balls down the middle yesterday
when Kompany and Demichelis were stretched into wide positions to provide cover Clichy and Zabaleta.
When a player is eable to beat players with ease, and hit the
ball the way he wants to, so in ends
up in the goal, whats point in this
hold up play in first place then?
Also the reason for his constant injuries is that he
holds on to the
ball for too long
when played in advanced positions then ends
up getting clattered, in the deep role this is not the case and I honestly do nt know how wenger hasnt seen that
How is getting
held with an obvious shirt pull (almost twisted his shirt off) and then
when getting
up to retrieve the
ball tripped by the defender a soft call?
This is an incredibly difficult question to answer for a variety of reasons, most importantly because over the years our once vaunted «beautiful» style of play has become a shadow of it's former self, only to be replaced by a less than stellar «plug and play» mentality where players play out of position and adjustments / substitutions are rarely forthcoming before the 75th minute... if you look at our current players, very few would make sense in the traditional Wengerian system... at present, we don't have the personnel to move the
ball quickly from deep - lying position, efficient one touch midfielders that can make the necessary through
balls or the disciplined and pacey forwards to stretch defences into wide positions, without the aid of the backs coming
up into the final 3rd, so that we can attack the defensive lanes in the same clinical fashion we did years ago... on this current squad, we have only 1 central defender on staf, Mustafi, who seems to have any prowess in the offensive zone or who can even pass two zones through so that we can advance play quickly out of our own end (I have seen some inklings that suggest
Holding might have some offensive qualities but too early to tell)... unfortunately Mustafi has a tendency to get himself in trouble
when he gets overly aggressive on the
ball... from our backs out wide, we've seen pace from the likes of Bellerin and Gibbs and the spirited albeit offensively stunted play of Monreal, but none of these players possess the skill - set required in the offensive zone for the new Wenger scheme which requires deft touches, timely runs to the baseline and consistent crossing, especially
when Giroud was playing and his ratio of scored goals per clear chances was relatively low (better last year though)... obviously I like Bellerin's future prospects, as you can't teach pace, but I do worry that he regressed last season, which was obvious to Wenger because there was no way he would have used Ox as the right side wing - back so often knowing that Barcelona could come calling in the off - season, if he thought otherwise... as for our midfielders, not a single one, minus the more confident Xhaka I watched played for the Swiss national team a couple years ago, who truly makes sense under the traditional Wenger model... Ramsey
holds onto the
ball too long, gives the
ball away cheaply far too often and abandons his defensive responsibilities on a regular basis (doesn't score enough recently to justify): that being said, I've always thought he does possess a little something special, unfortunately he thinks so too... Xhaka is a little too slow to ever boss the midfield and he tends to telegraph his one true strength, his long
ball play: although I must admit he did get a bit better during some points in the latter part of last season... it always made me wonder why whenever he played with Coq Wenger always seemed to play Francis in a more advanced role on the pitch... as for Coq, he is way too reckless at the wrong times and has exhibited little offensive prowess yet finds himself in and around the box far too often... let's face it Wenger was ready to throw him in the trash heap
when injuries forced him to use Francis and then he had the nerve to act like this was all part of a bigger Wenger constructed plan... he like Ramsey, Xhaka and Elneny don't offer the skills necessary to satisfy the quick transitory nature of our old offensive scheme or the stout defensive mindset needed to protect the defensive zone so that our offensive players can remain aggressive in the final third... on the front end, we have Ozil, a player of immense skill but stunted by his physical demeanor that tends to offend, the fact that he's been played out of position far too many times since arriving and that the players in front of him, minus Sanchez, make little to no sense considering what he has to offer (especially Giroud); just think about the quick counter-attack offence in Real or the space and protection he receives in the German National team's midfield, where teams couldn't afford to focus too heavily on one individual... this player was a passing «specialist» long before he arrived in North London, so only an arrogant or ignorant individual would try to reinvent the wheel and / or not surround such a talent with the necessary components... in regards to Ox, Walcott and Welbeck, although they all possess serious talents I see them in large part as headless chickens who are on the injury table too much, lack the necessary first - touch and / or lack the finishing flair to warrant their inclusion in a regular starting eleven; I would say that, of the 3, Ox showed the most upside once we went to a back 3, but even he became a bit too consumed by his pending contract talks before the season ended and that concerned me a bit... if I had to choose one of those 3 players to stay on it would be Ox due to his potential as a plausible alternative to Bellerin in that wing - back position should we continue to use that formation... in Sanchez, we get one of the most committed skill players we've seen on this squad for some years but that could all change soon, if it hasn't already of course... strangely enough, even he doesn't make sense given the constructs of the original Wenger offensive model because he
holds onto the
ball too long and he will give the
ball up a little too often in the offensive zone... a fact that is largely forgotten due to his infectious energy and the fact that the numbers he has achieved seem to justify the means... finally, and in many ways most crucially, Giroud, there is nothing about this team or the offensive system that Wenger has traditionally employed that would even suggest such a player would make sense as a starter... too slow, too inefficient and way too easily dispossessed... once again, I think he has some special skills and, at times, has showed some world - class qualities but he's lack of mobility is an albatross around the necks of our offence... so
when you ask who would be our best starting 11, I don't have a clue because of the 5 or 6 players that truly deserve a place in this side, 1 just arrived, 3 aren't under contract beyond 2018 and the other was just sold to Juve... man, this is theraputic because following this team is like an addiction to heroin without the benefits
A couple times he had a good opportunity to play a simple enough through
ball, also
when out wide he
held up play allot, with little penetration for getting in behind and getting decent space for crossing.
World class forward — Scores for fun / Deadly finisher Deadly pace Dribbles / gets past opponents / generates space for himself High shot accuracy Can keep the
ball when needed (
hold up play), and good eye for pass (assists) Creative — something out of nothing!
I was glad to see that the Arsenal and England international star Theo Walcott was quick to
hold his hand
up and accept the blame for his part in the opening goal of the game between Arsenal and Manchester United on Saturday, scored by Juan Mata
when the Spaniard was allowed too much space to run into the penalty area and sweep home the
ball by Ander Herrera.
We all know about his
hold up play but
when teams sit deep and we need to go in the air to find goals, Giroud is easily the best header of the
ball in Arsenal.
When Arsenal moves
up the pitch in the opposition box and loses the
ball, because El Neny always
hold a defensive position close to the
ball allows him the time to divert the attack or win the
ball back quickly.
Players scores Chech 8.5 top saves
when needed Monreal 7 good steady game as always Mert 6 did ok The boss 6 looked tired Bel 7.5 good game needs work on crossing Walcot 5 did less than iwobi Cmpbell 7.5 worked hard, in front of ox and walcott anyway Flamini 7 steady Ox 4 poor all game not a clue how he gets a game Ramsey 5 very selfish player, if barca pay 50m take it and sigh Barkley for 35 Giroud 6.5 missed very good chance and doesn't
hold the
ball up at important times but had an ok performance Iwobi 7 did more than walcott in 15 mins Chambers not on long enough
If you assessed him correctly
when we played against citi he was just a passenger, the only good he did was the goal and it was from set pcs otherwise he had not used to his
hold up play as most of the
balls came from behind.
Wenger lost the plot
when he brought in Giroud... what about the beautiful game involves having a lumbering striker who's main attribute is
holding up play... our success with Wenger, and even before, came with pace and clinical striking
up front, having a boss in the midfield and having physically imposing CBs... what about Wright, Bergkamp, Anelka, Henry or RVP remind anyone of Giroud (minus the left foot of course)... the formula was broken, which didn't have to be the end of our success, but
when you adopt half - measures you can't expect things just to work themselves out on their own... at the very least Wenger should have brought in some wingers that can consistently cross the
ball and then spend significantly more time addressing our lack of success with set pieces... ultimately this is why we continued to struggle with consistency and continued to constantly play people in the wrong positions
However I do think there is space in this team for Giroud and he has a good set of traits, such as his
hold up play and his consistency of heading the
ball, which can be utilised by Arsenal
when needed.
Yes, on the rare occasion
when he doesn't give the
ball away with his first touch, his
hold up play is OK.
He is unnecessaryly
holding up the Gunners acceleration
when they are on the offensive as he will
hold the
ball and dances round with it to entertain or impress the fans.
Ozil is a class player and it's not like we have them in abundance.Sign Mikki and Abua and play them
up top with Laca.Skill pace and desire in all of them.Ozil is at his best
when he has technically astute players in front of him which is why he was voted German National Team Player of The Year 5 times in 6 years.Giroud - No movement and pace and only dangerous
when attacking
balls in the box.Despite what is said his
hold up play is awfull and goes to ground like he's been shot with a Buffalo Gun at the slightest contact.Walcott - Pace but no brain.The stats tell a better picture of a player who was NEVER good or consistent to ever be considered anything other than average at best.Wellbeck - Good pace and effort but little to offer as a goalscorer.Back -
up at best.This is what Ozil has had to work with (I have photo shopped Sánchez from my life forever).
Bring in Giroud
when needed as an impact sub to
hold up the
ball and flick passes to the runners.
When Sanchez has lined
up there we have tried to boot him the
ball for him to
hold.
Giroud does not score, assist and
hold up ball effectively for one game then he is completely shite, useless, lamp post, etc... He is no where be the top striker we need but he can be a super-sub, a plan B that people cried out at the time
when we had Van Persie.
Both Giroud and Walcot are useless, but Giroud is better... You will never see walcot involved in d team build
up play nor see him
hold the
ball up under pressure from the opponent... he cant
hold d
ball, he has cost us so many goals
when being dispossessed easily....
No we won't score that much
when giroud is leading our line My problem with giroud is not about missing some easy chances which all playera do but it is about his movement, his first touch and his
ball control (no one can deny he is
holding up play goddess) If you watch the game carefully you will find that 75 % of losing position will be due to him he is simply ruining our attack systems and i hate to see this
Now I am going to suggest that if we can't attract a world - class
holding midfielder (not talking blood - n - guts destroyer here but more a cultured interceptor, reads the play well, tackles effectively, good passing range, breaks
up attacks and recycles the
ball quickly into attacking moves — so not Wanyama) to provide cover for the ever - improving Coquelin, we probably shouldn't worry too much because we have Rambo who can step into that role
when Coquelin or Santi aren't available (injured / suspended).
He moves like a
hold -
up striker does
when the
ball enters the box, and though his output needs to increase; the predatory instincts are there to match the playmaking ones.
He failed conspicuously to
hold the
ball up against Stoke
when Harry Kane went off, and Spurs paid a heavy price.
Vladislav Ignatjev sliced wide
when Manuel Fernandes
held the
ball up well, Koke offering Guilherme a comfortable save from a curling 25 - yard strike at the other end.
We need players to be brave on the
ball and
hold it
up when they have it, Hernandez has been that man this season.
The game started with both teams getting early chances but once United got
hold of the game midway through the first half they always looked like scoring and finally broke the deadlock in 34th minute
when Martial neat footwork done the left side byline and a squared
ball was tapped home by Fellaini to put United 1 - 0
up.
Held the
ball up well and provided a great outlet
up front
when the team were in trouble.
Matri: 7 Did all that he could leading the line,
holding up the
ball pretty well and taking his chances
when they came.
Instead —
when Diaby gets the
ball, play
holds up as he passes it sideways or dribbles it into a cul - de-sac, or comes to a complete stop as he knocks it out of play or shifts to the opposition as he loses it.
A striker's job encompasses myriad different tasks; depending on the system, they may be required to press high
when out of position,
hold the
ball up to facilitate midfield runners, run the channels to create space inside and offer an outlet, or drop back to augment midfield
when defending a result is the priority.
When you run more plays, gain more yards,
hold the
ball for ten minutes more, put
up 100 + passer rating, run for 160 + yards and commit only a single turnover... you should win the game.
Standing at five - foot - nine, he isn't the tallest player and is instead at his best
when deployed behind a larger, stronger strike partner to
hold up the
ball for him to run onto and find space around rather than play as the sort of target man or «nine - and - a-half» that can play as a lone forward in the heart of a front three.
His no - prisoners touch in front of goal is often lauded, but what he doesn't get enough credit for is his clever movement off the
ball; Sturridge knows exactly
when to drop off and
when to spin behind and is also no slouch
when it comes to
holding the
ball up.