He shows
how warming ocean waters gave Hurricane Katrina the added strength to blow right through Florida and on to New Orleans, and he documents worst - case scenarios for accelerated change.
He shows
how warming ocean waters gave Hurricane Katrina the added strength to...
A study published on Monday in Nature Geoscience is among the first to create a detailed snapshot of
how warming ocean waters are eating away at grounding lines around the continent.
A northern fur seal pup turned up at the front door of a Hayward ironworks shop Wednesday morning, the latest example of
how warm ocean waters and a lack of food are wreaking havoc on a range of marine mammals.
Not exact matches
There are clues that these species may fare better than their stony counterparts after a disaster, but more research needs to be done to understand
how storms,
warming waters and
ocean acidification can alter the composition of reefs and whether these changes are permanent or short - lived, Lasker says.
Researchers can measure annual changes in
how the melt rate occurs, for example, or the effects of a single pulse of
warm deep -
ocean water.
That region, he says, is susceptible to even small amounts of
warming and cooling from the atmosphere — and
how cold the
water gets influences
how much or
how little it sinks, thereby driving or delaying, respectively, the
ocean conveyer belt.
His discoveries have also revealed
how warming ocean temperatures and acidification of
ocean water caused by climate change lead to coral bleaching and death.
As the
ocean warms and fresh
water from melting ice increases, scientists have yet to fully know
how that will affect fish communities and coral reefs.
The next step was see
how those factors were influenced by ENSO; while El Niños and La Niñas are defined by
how much
warmer or colder than normal tropical Pacific
ocean waters are, they trigger a cascade of reactions in the atmosphere that can alter weather patterns around the globe.
Cheung and his colleague used modeling to predict
how 802 commercially important species of fish and invertebrates react to
warming water temperatures, other changing
ocean properties, and new habitats opening up at the poles.
Lead author, Dr Michael Singer from School of Earth and
Ocean Sciences at Cardiff University, said: «In drylands, convective (or short, intense) rainfall controls
water supply, flood risk and soil moisture but we have had little information on
how atmospheric
warming will affect the characteristics of such rainstorms, given the limited moisture in these areas.»
Understanding
how carbon flows between land, air and
water is key to predicting
how much greenhouse gas emissions the earth, atmosphere and
ocean can tolerate over a given time period to keep global
warming and climate change at thresholds considered tolerable.
El Niño is most widely known for
how it shifts the location of
warm ocean waters, leading to cooler - than - normal
waters in the western tropical Pacific but
warmer - than - normal in the central and eastern parts of the basin.
They created a model to determine
how temperatures of
ocean waters could change shallow reef systems when sea levels rise and climate
warms in the future.
[1] CO2 absorbs IR, is the main GHG, human emissions are increasing its concentration in the atmosphere, raising temperatures globally; the second GHG,
water vapor, exists in equilibrium with
water / ice, would precipitate out if not for the CO2, so acts as a feedback; since the
oceans cover so much of the planet,
water is a large positive feedback; melting snow and ice as the atmosphere
warms decreases albedo, another positive feedback, biased toward the poles, which gives larger polar
warming than the global average; decreasing the temperature gradient from the equator to the poles is reducing the driving forces for the jetstream; the jetstream's meanders are increasing in amplitude and slowing, just like the lower Missippi River where its driving gradient decreases; the larger slower meanders increase the amplitude and duration of blocking highs, increasing drought and extreme temperatures — and 30,000 + Europeans and 5,000 plus Russians die, and the US corn crop, Russian wheat crop, and Aussie wildland fire protection fails — or extreme rainfall floods the US, France, Pakistan, Thailand (driving up prices for disk drives —
hows that for unexpected adverse impacts from AGW?)
However, this in itself is not enough to define what level of
warming is «dangerous,» especially since the projections of actual impacts for any level of
warming are highly uncertain, and depend on further factors such as
how quickly these levels are reached (so
how long ecosystems and society have had to respond), and what other changes are associated with them (eg: carbon dioxide concentration, since this affects plant photosynthesis and
water use efficiency, and
ocean acidification).
There is so little understanding about
how the
ocean parses its response to forcings by 1) suppressing (local convective scale) deep
water formation where excessive
warming patterns are changed, 2) enhancing (local convective scale) deep
water formation where the changed excessive
warming patterns are co-located with increased evaporation and increased salinity, and 3) shifting favored deep
water formation locations as a result of a) shifted patterns of enhanced
warming, b) shifted patterns of enhanced salinity and c) shifted patterns of circulation which transport these enhanced
ocean features to critically altered destinations.
Lawrence, yes, the accumulation of heat in the
oceans is the primary metric of global
warming, but it's distributed unevenly, and we don't know
how much of it will be diluted in cold
waters and
how much, when and where it will be released to the atmosphere.
and
how about nasa's recent report of the apparent arctic
ocean gyre reversal to clockwise that is underway — that the counterclockwise gyre of the arctic
ocean rotation (since 1989) which apparently also been largely responsible for centrifigally pushing arctic ice into
warmer waters, speeding melting — should now predictably result in increasing amounts of ice due to the centripetal pull of the ice toward the north pole?
He presents a mechanism showing
how from time to time they cause
warm water to rise to the
ocean surface — and stay there.
But again, I have to ask a question that you have not answered:
How does the heat trapped by CO2 at the surface skin
warm the subsurface
ocean waters since it is widely acknowledged that the infrared heat from CO2 can't penetrate into the
ocean itself?
Also, it seems the condition of more exposed and
warmer arctic
waters also adds to the moisture content, regardless of
how much
ocean was covered by ice at the beginning of the cycle.
It represents in a simple way
how ocean currents carry
warm surface
waters from the equator toward the poles and moderate global climate.»
How can the atmosphere control the climate via its CO2 content when the
oceans contain 15 times more of it and CO2 is more soluble in cold
water than
warm water (the
oceans release CO2 to atmosphere when they
warm for whatever reason).
What I want you to see in the images is
how the model forecasts the storm (the low pressure center) to quickly intensifies once it hits the
warm ocean water.
Francisco (09:12:57): Go ahead and explain
how additional heat in the atmosphere moves from the atmosphere to the
ocean surface, and from there to the deep
oceans, ** without first producing any
warming in the atmosphere or on the
ocean surface
water ** Just because you don't know
how it can happen, does not mean that it is not happening, just that you don't understand
how.
Researchers travelled to the Southern
Ocean off Antarctica — one of the most remote and inaccessible
oceans in the world — to investigate
how warm water is making its way to the ice sheets, causing them to melt.
Here
how it works: Think of the
ocean as an open pot of
warm water with constant heat input (TSI) at a level where
water is held at constant temperature by evaporation and internal convection.
AGW climate scientists seem to ignore that while the earth's surface may be
warming, our atmosphere above 10,000 ft. above MSL is a refrigerator that can take
water vapor scavenged from the vast
oceans on earth (which are also a formidable heat sink), lift it to cold zones in the atmosphere by convective physical processes, chill it (removing vast amounts of heat from the atmosphere) or freeze it, (removing even more vast amounts of heat from the atmosphere) drop it on land and
oceans as rain, sleet or snow, moisturizing and cooling the soil, cooling the
oceans and building polar ice caps and even more importantly, increasing the albedo of the earth, with a critical negative feedback determining
how much of the sun's energy is reflected back into space, changing the moment of inertia of the earth by removing
water mass from equatorial latitudes and transporting this
water vapor mass to the poles, reducing the earth's spin axis moment of inertia and speeding up its spin rate, etc..
Warmer temperatures do not necessarily translate to more water vapour in an air - water vapour mixture, Chris please explain how «warmer the oceans and the atmosphere» equate to «more greenhouse effect from water vapour in the atmosphere.&
Warmer temperatures do not necessarily translate to more
water vapour in an air -
water vapour mixture, Chris please explain
how «
warmer the oceans and the atmosphere» equate to «more greenhouse effect from water vapour in the atmosphere.&
warmer the
oceans and the atmosphere» equate to «more greenhouse effect from
water vapour in the atmosphere.»
To point out just a couple of things: —
oceans warming slower (or cooling slower) than lands on long - time trends is absolutely normal, because
water is more difficult both to
warm or to cool (I mean, we require both a bigger heat flow and more time); at the contrary, I see as a non-sense theory (made by some serrist, but don't know who) that
oceans are storing up heat, and that suddenly they will release such heat as a positive feedback: or the
water warms than no heat can be considered ad «stored» (we have no phase change inside
oceans, so no latent heat) or
oceans begin to release heat but in the same time they have to cool (because they are losing heat); so, I don't feel strange that in last years land temperatures for some series (NCDC and GISS) can be heating up while
oceans are slightly cooling, but I feel strange that they are heating up so much to reverse global trend from slightly negative / stable to slightly positive; but, in the end, all this is not an evidence that lands»
warming is led by UHI (but, this effect, I would not exclude it from having a small part in temperature trends for some regional area, but just small); both because, as writtend, it is normal to have
waters warming slower than lands, and because lands» temperatures are often measured in a not so precise way (despite they continue to give us a global uncertainity in TT values which is barely the instrumental's one)-- but, to point out, HadCRU and MSU of last years (I mean always 2002 - 2006) follow much better
waters» temperatures trend; — metropolis and larger cities temperature trends actually show an increase in UHI effect, but I think the sites are few, and the covered area is very small worldwide, so the global effect is very poor (but it still can be sensible for regional effects); but I would not run out a small
warming trend for airport measurements due mainly to three things: increasing jet planes traffic, enlarging airports (then more buildings and more asphalt — if you follow motor sports, or simply live in a town / city, you will know
how easy they get very
warmer than air during day, and
how much it can slow night - time cooling) and overall having airports nearer to cities (if not becoming an area inside the city after some decade of hurban growth, e.g. Milan - Linate); — I found no point about UHI in towns and villages; you will tell me they are not large cities; but, in comparison with 20-40-60 years ago when they were «countryside», many small towns and villages have become part of larger hurban areas (at least in Europe and Asia) so examining just larger cities would not be enough in my opinion to get a full view of UHI effect (still remembering that it has a small global effect: we can say many matters are due to UHI instead of GW, maybe even that a small part of measured GW is due to UHI, and that GW measurements are not so precise to make us able to make good analisyses and predictions, but not that GW is due to UHI).
- and MOST IMPORTANTLY, the maths to show
how an increase in temperature of the vents (a tiny percentage of the
ocean floor), converts to the Joules required to
warm the mass of the 700-2000 meter layers of
water GLOBALLY.
Because only very cold surface
water is able to sink, it is simple to understand that the deep
ocean can never
warm up, regardless of
how warm the surface
ocean around the world may become.
- Jo]- and MOST IMPORTANTLY, the maths to show
how an increase in temperature of the vents (a tiny percentage of the
ocean floor), converts to the Joules required to
warm the mass of the 700-2000 meter layers of
water GLOBALLY.
-- and MOST IMPORTANTLY, the maths to show
how an increase in temperature of the vents (a tiny percentage of the
ocean floor), converts to the Joules required to
warm the mass of the 700-2000 meter layers of
water GLOBALLY.
The relevant factor may therefore not be
how warm the
water is in a given
ocean basin, but
how warm it is relative to other
ocean basins.
The Pacific Decadal Oscillation has the same temporal pattern of
warm and cool surface
water — which raises interesting questions about
how these northern and southern hemisphere
ocean phenomenon are linked.
How about this logic... if the
ocean is an enormous heat sink and ate their
warming, and this was not anticipated or built into the models AT ALL, then the models are all cr @p, the huge sensitivity to C02 (amplification) is in the same crock of poo (i.e. the
ocean provides damping and there is no amplification), and there really is no such thing as CAGW... there's only 134 pathetic excuses for climate models that are all wrong because the scientists didn't consider that 75 - ish percent of the globe was covered with
water.
Just one question Jarvis,
how will giving Greenpeace money change the Arctic temperature, or change the
ocean currents such that
warmer waters don't reach the Arctic?
Only during the short periods around noon on sunny days — when the skin layer is
warmer than the
water below — is there any point in worrying about
how long energy from DLR remains in the skin layer and what fraction is lost upward rather than downwards (
warming the
ocean).
Warming of surface
ocean waters is well known, but
how the subsurface
waters are changing is less clear.
Warming waters are causing marine species to shift; however,
how species found in the cold
waters of the Southern
Ocean will adapt is unclear.
We need to explain
how warmer waters absorbing less CO2 could become less alkaline as seems to have been happening... Less CO2 absorption should mean more alkaline
oceans but they have been getting less alkaline.
In the late 1970s, Munk realized that you could monitor global
ocean temperature by
how fast sound travels within the sea, as sound travels faster through
warmer, lighter
water.
How should
ocean water under 700 meters be
warmed up without a
warming in the upper part?
though
warm water going down seems «odd»... but
how does the wind carry heat into the deep
ocean?
This is the first extensive survey of one of these fjords that shows us
how these
warm waters circulate and
how vigorous the circulation is... changes in the large - scale
ocean circulation of the North Atlantic are propagating to the glaciers very quickly — not in a matter of years, but a matter of months.
Depending on
how the continents are arranged the global
ocean conveyor belt changes and having a land mass over a pole blocks
warm water from getting at the ice to melt it.
(And I still can't see
how a newly open and increasingly
warm summer Arctic
Ocean won't produce more
water vapor, vapor whose GHG properties will further accelerate Arctic
warming — or is that completely offset by increased cloud formation??)