«Third, in a period when ocean basins were similar to modern,
ice age climate sensitivity to pCO2 changes is underestimated by climate models even when long term changes in solar forcing and ice sheet size and distribution are taken into account, implying that internal positive feedbacks are stronger than previously thought.»
Not exact matches
The ends of
ice ages were different, but we can still use them to learn more about the
sensitivity of the massive Antarctic
ice sheet to
climate change.»
If the high
climate sensitivity effect of the
ice ages is a result of the hysteresis effect as proposed by Oerlemans and Van den Dool (1978), then the present observed
sensitivity of 1K / 2xCO2 can not be much higher.
Indeed, the main quandary faced by
climate scientists is how to estimate
climate sensitivity from the Little
Ice Age or Medieval Warm Period, at all, given the relative small forcings over the past 1000 years, and the substantial uncertainties in both the forcings and the temperature changes.
A
sensitivity which is too low will be inconsistent with past
climate changes - basically if there is some large negative feedback which makes the
sensitivity too low, it would have prevented the planet from transitioning from
ice ages to interglacial periods, for example.
If the high
climate sensitivity effect of the
ice ages is a result of the hysteresis effect as proposed by Oerlemans and Van den Dool (1978), then the present observed
sensitivity of 1K / 2xCO2 can not be much higher.
We contended here before that this is a bit of a leap, since there are other constraints on
climate sensitivity (such as the last
ice age) and other sources of uncertainty (solar, ozone, land use, etc.).
It seems that the
ice age climate constraining a 2xCO2 doubling Climate Sensitivity is dependent on the assumption that the sensitivity is linear in the entire range of CO2 values from ice age levels (much below present) to 2x preindustrial
climate constraining a 2xCO2 doubling
Climate Sensitivity is dependent on the assumption that the sensitivity is linear in the entire range of CO2 values from ice age levels (much below present) to 2x preindustrial
Climate Sensitivity is dependent on the assumption that the sensitivity is linear in the entire range of CO2 values from ice age levels (much below present) to 2x preindustr
Sensitivity is dependent on the assumption that the
sensitivity is linear in the entire range of CO2 values from ice age levels (much below present) to 2x preindustr
sensitivity is linear in the entire range of CO2 values from
ice age levels (much below present) to 2x preindustrial values.
The Last Glacial Maximum (i.e. the most recent «
ice age», abbreviated LGM) probably provides the best opportunity for using the past to constrain
climate sensitivity.
An important takeaway point from this is that with a low
climate sensitivity (i.e. one with limited positive feedbacks, or counterbalancing negative feedbacks), then the
ice ages can't happen.
Indeed, the main quandary faced by
climate scientists is how to estimate
climate sensitivity from the Little
Ice Age or Medieval Warm Period, at all, given the relative small forcings over the past 1000 years, and the substantial uncertainties in both the forcings and the temperature changes.
Second, the relationship we are seeing in the
ice cores is made up of two independent factors: the
sensitivity of the CO2 to temperature over the
ice age cycle — roughly ~ 100 ppmv / 4ºC or ~ 25 ppmv / ºC — and the
sensitivity of the
climate to CO2, which we'd like to know.
We can study
ice ages to approximate
climate sensitivity, which indicate a value consistent with the accepted value of about 2 - 4 °C per doubling of CO2.
There are variuos ways to estimate
climate sensitivity, studies of volcanic eruptions,
ice ages, or measurements of Earth's energy budget.
I don't think he's predicting a mini
ice age, but he is adamant that the assumptions about
climate sensitivity to CO2 built into the
climate models are wrong and the models grossly understate the importance of cosmic radiation.
(I'd guess they would be meaningless) And for
climate sensitivity calculations (from both 20th C temp record and forcings, and;
ice age and interglacial terminations, milankovitch cycles)?
Their reconstruction suggested that ocean temperatures varied less from today's value than one might have thought for an
ice age, an indicator of relatively low
climate sensitivity.
His research involves studies of the role of the tropics in mid-latitude weather and global heat transport, the moisture budget and its role in global change, the origins of
ice ages, seasonal effects in atmospheric transport, stratospheric waves, and the observational determination of
climate sensitivity.
``... the moisture budget and its role in global change, the origins of
ice ages, seasonal effects in atmospheric transport, stratospheric waves, and the observational determination of
climate sensitivity -LSB-...] the development of the current theory for the Hadley Circulation, -LSB-...] the quasi-biennial oscillation of the tropical stratosphere.
In short, the MARGO data for the ocean show very small temperature change from the
ice age to today, and thus lead to the low
climate sensitivity, but they disagree with some independent estimates showing larger temperature change.
Some of them deny it is even warming, others claim anthropogenic global warming (AGW) is a hoax, others claim that there is some magical negative feedback that will result in virtually no warming, others like Lewis cherry pick literature to delude themselves into thinking that
climate sensitivity is low, while others are convinced that an
ice age is imminent;)
Since after 38 years we still don't know the climatic effect of doubling CO2 concentrations (
climate sensitivity), I think it is premature to declare the
Ice Age dead.
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That's
climate sensitivity, more or less — we got a few
ice age cycles that have had roughly the same
climate sensitivity.
Radiative forcing and response of a GCM to
ice age boundary conditions: cloud feedback and
climate sensitivity
Climate sensitivity is constrained by measurements, e.g. of the climate response to volcanoes and the last i
Climate sensitivity is constrained by measurements, e.g. of the
climate response to volcanoes and the last i
climate response to volcanoes and the last
ice age.
Perhaps you could address what I consider to be most crucually wrong with your claims: — Such a low
sensitivity (0.5 deg) is incompatible with measurements — With such a low
sensitivity you can not explain the large
climate changes that have occurred in Earth» history, e.g. the
ice ages.
See Gavin Schimidt, «Why correlations of CO2 and temperature over
ice age cycles don't define
climate sensitivity,» RealClimate.org, Sept. 24, 2016, online here.
We study
climate sensitivity and feedback processes in three independent ways: (1) by using a three dimensional (3 - D) global
climate model for experiments in which solar irradiance So is increased 2 percent or CO2 is doubled, (2) by using the CLIMAP
climate boundary conditions to analyze the contributions of different physical processes to the cooling of the last
ice age (18K years ago), and (3) by using estimated changes in global temperature and the abundance of atmospheric greenhouse gases to deduce an empirical
climate sensitivity for the period 1850 - 1980.
In fact,
climate scientists have used paleoclimate data such as that for the
ice ages to show that
climate sensitivity is likely to be close to the range the IPCC favors.
The great thing is that, since we can make good estimates of the changes in solar radiation, changes in the Earth's albedo due to melting
ice, and changes in atmospheric CO2 concentration during the
ice ages, scientists can directly calculate the
sensitivity of the
climate to changes in the atmospheric CO2 concentration.
If AnthroCO2 has already delayed the next
ice age, there would have to be a high
climate sensitivity to CO2.
Idso's calculations for
climate sensitivity are greatly at odds with the paleoclimate data; if
sensitivity were as small as he proposes, the Milankovic changes in solar forcing wouldn't be enough to kickstart the climb out of an
ice age, but this still presupposes AGW, that CO2 emissions will increase the temperature by some amount.
[Response: Net negative feedback (i.e.
climate sensitivity less than 1 deg C) is completely inconsistent with the
ice ages that you quoted above.
I'm certainly not denying that such a decease in sunspots would have an effect, but to claim it could lead to another little
ice age would seem to assume fairly high
climate sensitivity.
Well - documented
climate changes during the history of Earth, especially the changes between the last major
ice age (20,000 years ago) and the current warm period, imply that the
climate sensitivity is near the 3 °C value.
This is completely unrealistic, because we've got other ways to estimate
climate sensitivity, notably the temperature and albedo, dust, greenhouse gas induced forcings of the last
ice age, and those independently make it quite hard for
sensitivity to be less than 1.5 C or more than 4.5 C.
A barrage of comets could most certainly change
climate trends and during a different time period like the last
ice age could certainly have a different degree of
climate sensitivity.
I agree, we'd expect
climate sensitivity to be a different figure depending on the starting condition; it would be different in an
ice age than now because of different albedo, and may other factors.