@ Michael Lewis (not that he's still listening) «
Ice core records go back thousands of years, but are not helpful in the past 2,000 years.»
-LSB-...] see this again in
the ice core record going back thousands of years (as I noted in this post).
«Carbon dioxide is higher now in the atmosphere than it has been for millions of years and the rate of increase has not been seen, certainly not in
the ice core record going back 800,000 years,» Tans told Mashable.
Not exact matches
Current research methods such as
ice -
core drilling can produce high - quality
records of aerosols and soot
going back centuries and even millennia, he says, and «these written accounts provide a good complement» to the data.
Understanding how that would affect the climate will require
going beyond historical
records of climate change, or even the information encoded in tree rings or
ice cores, to what scientists call «deep time»
records of conditions on Earth, according to a new NAS analysis.
Readers can look for themselves at the Greenland
ice core record and decide whether there's anything of consequence
going on around 41K before present that looks any different from other glacial - interglacial cycles.You can look at the GISP data yourself by downloading
Methane changes much more quickly than CO2 in the
ice core records, through the Younger Dryas for example, which lasted 1000 years, methane
goes back to glacial values while CO2 sort of hovers in place.
Had he done so, he would have drawn a line that
went up only 1/3 of the distance implied by the simple correlation with CO2 shown by the
ice core record.
In any event, there is unequivocal geologic evidence for parts of the GIS still in tact during the last interglacial, and Northern Hemisphere
ice core records (see NEEM) now
go back that far, which rules out
ice - free conditions at the time in the NH.
Methane changes much more quickly than CO2 in the
ice core records, through the Younger Dryas for example, which lasted 1000 years, methane
goes back to glacial values while CO2 sort of hovers in place.
Now the locations of avaialble proxy data (tree rings,
ice cores, ocean sediment
records, corals etc.) are not necessarily optimally spread out, but the spatial sampling error is actually quite easy to calculate, and
goes into the error bars shown on most reconstructions.
And scientists can sample
ice cores, permafrost
records, and tree rings to make some assumptions about the sea
ice extent
going back 1,500 years.
YES — CO2 HAS BEEN ON AN UPWARD CLIMB, to levels above those seen for the last few
ice ages (with the proviso that
ice cores records have poorer resolution the further back in time one
goes; there may have been short - lived CO2 spikes that we can not see); is all of that human - driven, or is there a natural warming trend driving the release of biotic CO2?
There are temperature
records from
ice cores going back almost a million years.
This method allowed them to see further back than the precision
records preserved in
cores of polar
ice, which
go back only 800,000 years.
Temperature has
gone up and down but it is difficult to measure precisely with the proxy
records of
ice cores the Anarctic and Greenland and sediment
cores in the ocean.
However, an improved calibration isn't
going to change the first order conclusion that
ice core CO2, like other gas analyses, is heavily low pass filtered, and should not blend smoothly into the instrument
record, even as it has been subjected to heavy - handed processing to produce the Keeling Curve.
Paleoclimatological
records are studies of past climate from
records that are from proxy data, from
ice cores, tree rings, sediments, and they
go back thousands of years in the past.
There are
ice core records with 50 - year resolution
going back to 1000AD: http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/graphics/lawdome.gif.
Your example does not explain where the 30 billion tons of human emissions
goes, it doesn't explain why CO2 is rising, it doesn't explain why the rise has accelerated, and it requires the
ice core records to be wrong.
There are a host of other problems with Salby's «model», such as the
ice core record, and where the warming came from in the first place, but there's no need to
go into these details when the fundamental premise of Salby's argument is so clearly wrong.
Hansen's climate analyses have been based not only on the very basic physics that
goes into climate model design, but on the detailed studies of the geological
ice core and isotope
records that are used to constrain and confirm climate model sensitivity.
Spectrum: From
ice cores, we have a pretty accurate temperature
record going back about a million years.
As another general comment about your line of reasoning, the fact that the
ice core record does not conslusively rule out huge and erratic jumps and dips in CO2 on decadal scales is not evidence that it was
going on either.
So like tree rings and
ice cores, the geologic
record should contain all ~ 165 405Kyr cycles
going back to the demise of the dinosaurs ~ 65Mya (which I conjecture, is what Laskar is really trying to get to, a more definitive dating of that exnction event).
Readers can look for themselves at the Greenland
ice core record and decide whether there's anything of consequence
going on around 41K before present that looks any different from other glacial - interglacial cycles.You can look at the GISP data yourself by downloading
Recall that Bradley had complained that that Jones and Mann had failed to consider what
went into the Yang composite «2
ice core delta 18O
records of dubious relationship to temperature».
You really should consider what
went into this — 2
ice core delta 18O
records of dubious relationship to temperature (one is cited as correlating with NW China temperatures at r = 0.2 - 0.4), 3 tree ring series, one of which is a delta C - 13
record of questionable climatic significance (to be generous).