Alternatively, if you must use Warmist physics, use
an ideal gas at absolute zero.
So if one uses the heat engine to do external work, the gas in the cylinder will indeed drop to zero in temperature as all of its internal energy drops to the bottom to maintain a constant temperature difference right up to where the temperature of
the ideal gas at the top reaches zero.
I'm also waiting to hear you acknowledge that a static lapse rate in
an ideal gas at thermal equilibrium violates the second law of thermodynamics as per the example given above.
For example any (constant) volume of
ideal gas at room temperature (20 °C) increases its pressure by a factor fo 4.3 when heated to 1000 °C.
Not exact matches
Gas at the centre of galaxy clusters should be cooling as it loses energy; this would allow nearby material to compress the gas and create ideal conditions for making sta
Gas at the centre of galaxy clusters should be cooling as it loses energy; this would allow nearby material to compress the
gas and create ideal conditions for making sta
gas and create
ideal conditions for making stars.
While the foil rolls through the first tube, it heats up to a certain
ideal temperature,
at which point it is ready to roll through the second tube, where the scientists pump in a specified ratio of methane and hydrogen
gas, which are deposited onto the heated foil to produce graphene.
«One question that screams out to be answered is whether we'll see the same sort of perfect fluid that we see
at RHIC,» Zajc says, «or whether we'll see something like an
ideal gas where the quarks and gluons are essentially free.
The ability for UF6 to change easily to a
gas at a low temperature and slightly increased pressure make it
ideal for use in the remaining steps of the fuel cycle.
These galaxies are known for a much higher rate of star formation compared to sedate Milky Way - like galaxies, making these structures
ideal to study galaxy growth and the interplay between
gas, dust, stars, and the black holes
at the centers of galaxies.
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Without a
gas engine up front, the Focus Electric's weight distribution is close to
ideal at 49 percent in front, 51 percent in the rear.
Keeping the
ideal entertaining venue in mind, a shade structure and a
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Thirdly, the
ideal gas law is of course relevant but in the presence of external sources / sinks of heat is used mainly to determine the density of the air
at any point given the temperature and pressure.]
I assume that the ultimate atmospheric temperature is then dictated (approximately) by the
ideal gas law, PV = nRT
at the different elevations, and pegged to ~ 255 K
at the ~ 10,000 m TOA energy balance point.
ie does a slightly lower density of air mean a slightly lower ground level temperature (temperature normally decreases with height
at the lower air density), so that in reality adding CO2 and subtracting more O2 actually causes miniscule or trivial global COOLING, and the (unused) ability of the changed atmosphere to absorb radiation energy and transmit it to the rest of the air is overruled or limited by the
ideal gas law?
Any real
gas condenses to a liquid or a solid
at some temperature higher than absolute zero, and this is why
ideal gas laws are only approximations, albeit useful ones.
It is strange, to me
at least, that all the climate wizzards have not considered the heating effect of the atmosphere, as a consequence of the
ideal gas law, PV = nRT.
This is not empty space with imaginary massless
ideal gases zipping around
at great speeds miles apart from each other and bouncing off each other in elastic collisions...
The impossible AGWSF Greenhouse Effect world does not have any atmosphere
at all, it goes straight from the surface to its imagined empty space with the imaginary
ideal gases without mass zipping around
at great speeds miles apart from each other, so it has no convection because it has no real
gas for gravity to work on.
For example, it has substituted
ideal gas for real
gas, so it actually has no atmosphere
at all — only empty space with hard dots of massless, volumeless, weightless molecules without attraction and not subject to gravity zipping around
at great speeds under their own molecular momentum miles apart from each other..
They called carbon dioxide, and oxygen and nitrogen, «
ideal gases», and said they behave as per basic
ideal gas description (pre Van der Waals), in other words, they have taken all the properties and process of real
gases out of their «
gases» and reduced them to hard dots with no mass, (no volume, weight or attraction and therefore nothing to be subject to gravity), and they say these travel
at great speeds through empty space as per
ideal gas, bouncing off each other in elastic collisions and so «thoroughly mixing» that they can't be unmixed (without an immense amount of work being done, so for all practical purposes can not be unmixed).
Because they don't have real
gases with gravity their imaginary massless hard dots of nothing carbon dioxide «goes
at great speeds in empty space mixing so thoroughly bouncing off other hard dots of nothing that it can't be separated out from the other
ideal gases»; so it accumulates for hundreds and thousands of years.
They have not only excised the water cycle, and excised rain from the carbon cycle, but have excised the whole atmosphere which is the heavy voluminous fluid ocean of real
gas Air weighting a ton on our shoulders and in its place have empty space with imaginary
ideal gas molecules travelling under their own molecular momentum
at great speeds through this empty space miles apart from each other bouncing off each other in elastic collisions, no attraction, and so «thoroughly mixing».
Carbon dioxide and nitrogen and oxygen have been reduced to a non-existant entity, a concept of a
gas with no properties and processes, as they've done with «all electromagnetic energy is the same and all create heat on being absorbed», making them
ideal gases without properties and processes in the Greenhouse Effect — they have actually become hard dots of nothing without volume travelling
at great speeds under their own molecular momentum bouncing off each other in elastic collisions, as the description of the imaginary
ideal gas in a container of real world physics textbooks.
I agree, in Caballero 2.3 non-isothermal
ideal gas column in 2.3 where the velocities are higher
at the bottom than the top, no work can come out of it.
The
gas on the bottom behaves like an ordinary
ideal gas, after all, and expands when warmed
at constant pressure.
Try, really try, to address just Jelbring's imaginary world, perfectly insulated above and below,
ideal gas in between, near - Earth gravity, infinite time for the system to reach true thermodynamic equilibrium (or long enough for a non-GHG to reach thermal equilibrium through radiation, which is going to be a hell of a lot longer than its thermal relaxation through conductivity for a
gas on average 200 - 300K in temperature
at 1 g).
There is however vigorous random mixing of the molecules up and down the
ideal gas column
at equilibrium in a gravity field leading to non-zero pressure and non-zero temperature gradients
at equilibrium proven by reasonable experiment and theory of published physicists.
If you were to let this perfect
ideal gas radiate, which they all do to some degree, then the pressure
at the bottom would have more emissivity / absorptivity and that «temperature» ratio would show pressure's influence be even higher... even without external energy... it's called pressure broadening and it guaranteed.
At high temperatures the gravity (second) term goes to 1, so the heat capacity goes back to the usual
ideal gas.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/13/results-lab-experiment-regarding-co2-snow-in-antarctica-
at-113%C2%B0f-80-5%C2%B0c-not-possible/ So my point is this change could occur, not that any CO2 would accumulate - so
at 1 atm or more and -80.5 C or lower CO2 would not be an
ideal gas.
c) It is completely irrelevant to the discussion
at hand, involving a simple
ideal gas in an ordinary vertical column with constant g.
Even if you started
at time with the air in movement, the air has dynamic viscosity — even an
ideal gas has an easily computable dynamic viscosity — and would quickly come to rest.
The
gas at the top of the tube would be warmed (thus increasing its pressure slightly (
ideal gas laws temperature change constant volume tube) and like a piston this pressure increase would propagate down the tube
at the local speed of sound in the
gas causing adiabatic heating of the
gas in each subsequent layer until it reached the bottom of the tube, instantly replacing the heat lost to the silver wire.
Both (
ideal)
gases will expand to fill any vessel they are placed in, and
at normal e.g. room temperature and with similar sized molecules there is no chance of them «separating».
«The thermophysical properties of water - air mixtures encountered
at atmospheric conditions are reasonably approximated by assuming they behave as a mixture of
ideal gases.
Why don't you look
at it and explain why the air isn't in static equilibrium, since I used the condition for static equilibrium and the density of isothermal
ideal gas in its derivation?
I freely admit that my earlier estimate might turn out to be completely wrong — I hadn't actually mentally realized that the DALR predicts
at for monatomic
ideal gases until I saw the ODE solution reach zero and turn around and go back up again.
3) The Fourier heat conduction formula is general for solids and is not applicable in general to fluids — only applicable to fluids with molecules not acted on by gravity; is applicable to
ideal gas in gravity field only
at boundary to a solid under certain conditions.
... though idiotically given as proof is a typical non-experiment from the AGWSF department, by opening a bottle of scent in a classroom saying it proves the scent is spread by Brownian motion, that's when it's not being not being idiotically explained by using
ideal gas properties of elastic collisions in empty space as if
ideal gas, but more often than not, claiming both these processes happening
at the same time — seemingly as unconcerned as Willis about context.
Since Jelbring explicitly states that he is waiting a very long time for relaxation to occur and did not inconsistently qualify his use of an
ideal gas by asserting that it is non-conductive (and because there is no substantive difference between my vertically confined
gas column and his vertically confined
gas column,
at this point we all agree that my arguments against EEJ are valid and the stated conclusion of his thought experiment is incorrect.
What does the
ideal gas law demand will happen to temperature as the pressure increases
at one end of the cylinder and decreases
at the other?
Tim Folkerts says: February 1, 2012
at 8:00 pm >> Normally an adiabatic free expansion results in no cooling of an
ideal gas.
This
ideal gas mixing continues throughout the column to equilibrium
at max.
where g is the gravitational acceleration (presumed approximately constant throughout the spherical shell) and cp is the heat capacity per kilogram of the particular «
ideal»
gas at constant pressure.
At the same pressure density differences are determined by temperature differences (
ideal gas law).
The paper examines a very dilute
gas — so dilute that it is no longer properly speaking an
ideal gas — in a container between two plates that are maintained
at different temperatures.
If you want to prove that there is a non-GHG GE involving the dynamic motion of
gases, play right on through, but realize that Jelbring's paper isn't about that and is incorrect because it ascribes the same effect to a completely static, completely dry
ideal gas that has been left in place, isolated, for a billion years (or as long as equilibrium takes, which won't be anywhere near a billion years
at a joule of conductive transport per meter of atmosphere per degree kelvin of temperature difference per 40 seconds).
To calculate the molar densities from the weather balloon measurements, we converted all of the pressures and temperatures into units of Pa and K, and then determined the values
at each pressure using D = n / V =P / RT, where R is the
ideal gas constant (8.314 J / K / mol)
The AGWGE molecules are as per descriptions of basic
ideal gas, travelling
at great speeds under their own molecular momentum spontaneously diffusing through empty space miles apart bouncing off each other in elastic collisions.