objective morality, when used as «evidence» of the existence of god is classic circular reasoning; «I believe in god because of the existence of objective morality and I believe
in objective morality because I believe in god.
I don't believe
in objective morality.
You don't believe
in objective morality or when god ordered genocide it would also be immoral.
You would say my opinion doesn't matter; opinions don't count
in objective morality.
Most humans believe
in objective morality.
You can't really believe that atheists, agnostics, deists and other religions can not determine right from wrong because they do not believe
in an objective morality, don't be so obtuse.
Not exact matches
In other words, you quoted the myth of your god to prove the concept of
objective morality.
Her belief
in absurd notion of
objective morality shows extreme lack of intellect and thoughtfulness.
The proprietor of the shop obviously has the right to offer this type of discount, but it's sad that
in this backwards, demon - haunted country we're still treating a work of fiction supposedly handed down by an magical, omnipotent being as a framework for a moral life, rather than embracing an
objective, secular view of
morality.
If we take the
objective view and try to apply
morality based on current American tradition god is immoral
in a number of ways.
Now, hypothetically, if you personally maintained belief
in a supreme being (one
in which you had no verifiable proof of its existence, but yet what you considered ample evidence to place your faith
in) and that being had communicated
morality in absolute terms, would you define that
morality as subjective or
objective?
Atheist
morality is without any
objective basis and, if followed with integrity, doesn't allow them to act against others who act contrary to their moral system (as they insist that each subjective moral judgment is equal
in value, all being based purely on individual feelings).
And while it is purely hypothetical
in your particular case, it is nothing short of reality for tf, hence the reason he defines
morality as
objective.
In God's nature, a Christian can ground
objective morality and say that things like child molestation and the Holocaust are objectively morally evil.
But again, if there is no
objective standard of
morality, then Catholic priests who molest children are not doing anything bad, because it was right
in their own eyes.
So
in certain cases, like statutory ra / pe, it isn't a question of
objective morality but of cultural norms?
Also, i don't remember if you and I have discussed
morality in the past, but do you believe
morality is
objective or subjective?
There are ways to be able to reason
morality as
objective (not
in the usual religious sense however) without attributing it to a higher moral authority (god).
The religious think they get to determine
objective beauty along with
objective morality as they have deemed many many paintings inappropriate and have gone through periods of art burning
in the name of their ignorant god.
Similarly, there is nothing
in atheism that promotes a belief
in an
objective, external
morality, or suggests that one has any sort of duty towards it.
There's also nothing
in atheism that prevents belief
in external,
objective morality.
We certainly have good grounds for
objective morality in this manner.
But ultimately, you are embracing the latter because you are arguing an
objective / absolute
morality in god's immutable good nature which is a source of
morality beyond god's actual control.
Since the senseless ra - pe of an innocent bystander is objectively morally wrong and
objective morality is grounded
in the nature of God, then God can not command this for it is acting contrary to His nature and His nature doesn't change.
Dr. Harris realizes the existence of
objective morality but by rejecting God, he has no foundation to ground it
in.
Not that the biblical god provides an
objective system, or that it is the best
objective system, but that somehow
objective morality in an of itself is evidence for god's existence.»
• the capacity to reach
objective and universal truth as well as valid metaphysical knowledge; • the unity of body and soul
in man; • the dignity of the human person; • relations between nature and freedom; • the importance of natural law and of the «sources of
morality,»... • and the necessary conformity of civil law to moral law.
If
morality is founded
in God's nature and God is unchanging, we have the strongest foundation needed for
objective morality.
But it can hardly be doubted that such a state of actually invincible error
in moral questions exists also
in society or
in social groups
in which the individual participates, so that his power of moral discernment does not go beyond a certain point, which, through no fault of his own, falls below
objective morality.
It is His unchanging nature from which we can ground
objective morality in.
By using genocide as as example of
objective morality and not viewing god as immoral when he orders genocide
in the Bible you only proving that
morality is subjective.
Nowadays,
morality is addressed
in terms of «empathy» or doing «what you FEEL is right»... but
morality is
OBjective, not SUBjective, and God is the One to let us know what that
morality is... not what you «think»...
Their reasoning goes something like this; I believe
in God because
objective morality exists and the reason I believe
objective morality exists is because I believe
in a god who holds that
morality.
why feel the need to argue for an
objective morality if you don't believe
in the
objective in the first place?
Powerful interest groups
in many places, especially large cities, are often antagonistic to the traditional religious values of family, sexual self - control,
objective morality, and individual responsibility.
once you concede that racism or any other major immorality could be deemed acceptable
in the future, you are not talking about an
objective basis for
morality — because it changes.
None the less, if one responds as a whole person, one can have confidence
in one's response as one can not have confidence
in any
objective knowledge or universal prescriptions of
morality.
Vivas, for example, posits the «objectivity of evil» as the only alternative to its being merely subjective and defines
morality in terms of the opposition between
objective duty and subjective inclination:
The problem is much more radical: the modern West's rejection of
objective morality, grounded
in divine wisdom and intrinsic to human nature, the knowing and following of which is the only path to individual happiness and a just social order.
The current trend has been to accept the existential - historical view with the result that
in theology the existential is preferred to the metaphysical, and
in morality, the situational to the
objective.
«Since the atheist does not believe
in objective «right» or «wrong» (received divinely) but that
morality is simply the product of culture and genetics - It is fascinating to see how angry they become at rulings like this... almost as if they believed the ruling objectively «wrong» (divinely received) or something...»
Feigning a discussion about
objective vs. subjective
morality without qualifying values
in the example
in an attempt to get the casual reader to focus on the value the crafty writer wants you to adopt a an absolute truth —
in this case how bad it would be to BBQ your grandmother, so that he can claim the the reader believes
in objective «truths».
Ironically atheists see religion as the great evil due to its content, and are blind to the deficiencies of their own ideologies — even
in light of historical evidence of what happens when society purges itself of religion and
objective morality.
The bible appears to promote violence
in selected passages, but the very fact that Christians analyze scripture with the underlying belief that there is such a thing as an
objective truth and
morality we don't have the freedom
in our doctrine to falsely interpret passages from Leviticus to justify killing while ignoring Christ and the ten commandments.
Agnosticism about human dignity and
objective morality in various forms plays a significant role
in the justification and promotion of «abortion rights» around the world.
Who's subjective
morality or interpretation of ideology holds up
in this case from an
objective perspective?
In order to really judge the «morality» of the reforms, or their success in achieving their objectives, we need to properly understand the impact they are having on people's everyday live
In order to really judge the «
morality» of the reforms, or their success
in achieving their objectives, we need to properly understand the impact they are having on people's everyday live
in achieving their
objectives, we need to properly understand the impact they are having on people's everyday lives.
The Diving Bell and the Butterfly) that do indeed provoke some inquiry towards the subject of dying and the boundaries of
morality - but this film does none of that, Haneke's
objective here is no different than
in Funny Games: he simple wants to use the shock value to prove that we are captivated to a sickening extent by watching horror unfold before us.
The
morality system can affect the
objectives of your missions, to the point that your co-op buddy can actually become your
in - game nemesis if each player's
moralities are too divergent.
Science, if anything, has the defence that
objective measure can be used to argue against subversion, as it never can be
in religion, politics or
morality.