This figure is a proof that the Kirchhoff law is in effect
in real atmospheres.
The greenhouse effect itself is something in an atmosphere that radiates LW and
in real atmospheres that something is GHGs and that fact makes your statement very misleading.
We get more atmosphere inside mission control than
in the real atmosphere.
There have been some suggestions that electric fields may enhance the formation of drops (electro - freezing hypotheses; Tinsley and others), but as far as I know, there are no conclusive empirical evidence for this actually occurring
in the real atmosphere, and besides, this process may be unimportant as the drop formation could also happen in the absence of an electric field.
I'm pretty sure you can get the grey version of that into a strat - cooling / trop - warming situation if you pick the strat absorbers right, but Andy is certainly right that non-grey effects play a crucial role in explaining quantitatively what is going on
in the real atmosphere (that's connected with the non-grey explanation for the anomalously cold tropopause which I have in Chapter 4, and also with the reason that aerosols do not produce stratospheric cooling, and everything depends a lot on what level you are looking at).
Shock Paper Cites Formula That Precisely Calculates Planetary Temps WITHOUT Greenhouse Effect, CO2 — CO2 Climate Sensitivity So Low It's «Impossible To Detect Or Measure
In The Real Atmosphere» http://www.newscats.org/?p=13539
As he ostensibly understates in his conclusion, «This climate sensitivity is already so low that it would be impossible to detect or measure
in the real atmosphere.»
«In particular, formula 5 (and 6) as presented here, totally rules out any possibility that a 33 °C greenhouse effect of the type proposed by the IPCC in their reports can exist
in the real atmosphere.»
Obviously the IR or any spectrum of say CO2 or H2O in isolation will be way different from what happens
in a real atmosphere.
It is not what really happens
in the real atmosphere apparently.
It's difficult to test empirically
in our real atmosphere, because we can not lose the GHGs we already have, and no planetary atmosphere we can see lacks them.
You seem to be conflating an assertion that there is no such thing as a dynamically driven lapse rate
in any real atmosphere with the assertion that there is no such thing as a thermodynamically stable lapse rate in an isolated ideal gas subject to gravity but allowed to thermally relax to a maximum entropy state.
It is, after all, the adiabatic work done lifting the gas that makes the top (transiently) cooler
in the real atmosphere with an actual thermal gradient heating the bottom and cooling the top providing the source of the work.
In any real atmosphere, convection will predominate over conduction.
I don't care about the real DALR
in the real atmosphere, which is an utterly dynamic quantity that is basically never precisely observed and which is derived, using a bunch of approximations and assumptions that include active transport of air parcels and «0» conductivity, to provide us with some insight into why the atmosphere does remain warmer at the bottom than at the top.
And yes, that matters
in the real atmosphere under today's conditions and CO2 concentrations.
There is no «thermodynamic equilibrium»
in the real atmosphere or even in an ideal gas atmosphere.
In a real atmosphere, escape velocity limits the energy of the smallest atoms contained in the system.
Carbon dioxide is fully part of the Water Cycle which cools the Earth
in our real atmosphere, where we have gravity and therefore weight and volume and real molecules which have attraction, carbon dioxide and water vapour spontaneously join and become carbonic acid — all pure clean rain is carbonic acid.
Are you serious??? ============ Pekka, please point to the measurements,
in the real atmosphere, that prove that the behavior of CO2 measured on a small translates to the rel scale and I'll believe.
I have no problem with the point that RH = 200 % (more or less depending on what they think the w.v. scale height should be) is ridiculous
in a real atmosphere.
Pekka, to claim that the temperature effect of CO2 absorbing IR in the atmosphere is unmeasurable except in the atmosphere is a good way of glossing over the fact that the claimed warming phenomenon (backradiation or insulation or IR absorption) is: a. imprecisely described, and non-existent according to G&T b. untested in the laboratory — probably because it hasn't been precisely described c. very small according to the precisely measured radiative transfer data precisely modeled in Spectralcalc d. confounded by other variables
in the real atmosphere
Making the experiment with 10 m of gas allows thus for observing an effect, which is about 1/1000 of the warming of the surface
in the real atmosphere.
(
In real atmosphere the air gets a little oversaturated, but for this consideration it can be thought that oversaturation is not possible.)
Thus condensation must result in an increase in surface pressure and if the rising column of fresh vapour rich air is continued then the descending column is displaced to an adjacent location as we see all the time
in the real atmosphere.
I think those two questions could go a long way towards defining the impact and interaction of the radiative properties of CO2 when assessed
in the real atmosphere (as opposed to in a test tube).
«The high per - molecule absorption cross section of CH4 makes no difference at all
in our real atmosphere.»
Sorry Luke but that increase of 0.01 % of co2 in the atmosphere doesn't look too convincing to me particularly when a positive feedback
in the real atmosphere is suspect as well.
Like Bob Tisdale, you (and apparently many others here) don't understand that it is not a flaw of the climate models when the simulations with these models principally don't reproduce the chronological succession of events, e.g., the succession of El Nino and La Nina - events, how they are observed
in the real atmosphere - ocean system.
It turns out that when this is properly taken into account, you have to reduce the column length at sea level pressure by a factor of 2 to have the equivalent absorption effect of the same amount of CO2
in the real atmosphere.
However erudite and complex mathematically expressed justifications for AGWScience, it will always be junk because it does not relate to the real world
in the real atmosphere we have here on Earth.
Not exact matches
With that kind of drug and their belief structure, we will have faster - than - light travel, cold fusion, a way to reverse global warming (caused by an overabundance of CO2
in our
atmosphere, not god), and a
real recipe for amrita, ambrosia, and a panacea by New Year's!
Denominationalism sets up hard and fast prejudices and creates an unbrotherly
atmosphere through which it is difficult to discover that which is
real in others.
most churches represent the community
in which it is found
in many respects if the community is multi-disciplinary
in it's religions — then multi-disciplinary churches, as well as many other churches of all kinds, can be found there are
real differences
in the religious
atmosphere and realities
in the USA compared to the Mid-East the seperation of church and state is taken fairly seriously — and — from what i have seen so far — is a good thing for most
One reason, therefore, for the «absolutely new
atmosphere»
in the New Testament is to be found
in this vivid apprehension of eternal life as a present possession, so
real that he who has it has already received Christ's second coming, passed through the judgment, and been raised from the dead.
While you work to establish a warm
atmosphere and make delicious food, big - data technologies use
real, raw data to analyze patterns and understand which factors really result
in profit.
In an effort to put a spotlight on the atmosphere and real - time reactions from within a Buffalo Wild Wings during bowl season, live feed video will be displayed on the in - stadium video board following pivotal moments and touchdowns during the Citrus Bow
In an effort to put a spotlight on the
atmosphere and
real - time reactions from within a Buffalo Wild Wings during bowl season, live feed video will be displayed on the
in - stadium video board following pivotal moments and touchdowns during the Citrus Bow
in - stadium video board following pivotal moments and touchdowns during the Citrus Bowl.
It was lazy of Wenger to emphasize a family
atmosphere especially
in recent seasons, it almost, if not created a culture where everyone patted each other on the back fostering mediocrity,
in the
real world of the premier league and elsewhere, it is important to be fired up by competition even among the players, and with a manager of Wenger's stature, I'm sure he has enough
in his locker to make sure said competition don't get nasty and counterproductive to overall team performance.
«I was
in the Bobby Moore Stand, with the
real fans, and that
atmosphere had the most profound effect on me,» he says.
No, apparently it was the less than enthusiastic
atmosphere at the home games, especially thos against the so - called lower teams
in the league, that was the
real reason why the Gunners let slip a five point lead at the top of the EPL table and are now 12 points behind unfancied Leicester City.
We as the Arsenal need to do our part
in becoming a place where the highest dreams of players are realized, even if we don't always win trophies, we need to at least always have a «Genuine» fighting chance,
Real Madrid went a number of seasons chasing La Decima, spent loads of cash, played second fiddle to Barca for a few seasons even but still players still dreamed of playing for them
in that period, we as fans need to grow up too and stop bitching and whining especially about our players, we create a toxic
atmosphere for these guys when we do so and it doesn't help nobody, little wonder our players perform better away than they do at home.
That's the problem the
real fans have been priced out, no
atmosphere and lack of ambitions is
in a lot of fans now, you have people like supetuur (I so wanted to put another letter on the end of that) who will make excuse after excuse for Wenger.
Salaries are higher
in the UK,
atmosphere in EPL stadiums is unrivalled
in Europe, Benzema could be the star of the team at Arsenal (while he is just Ronaldo's stooge at
Real / similar to Ozil) and Wenger's management is very attractive to French players.
For another, though halftime is an opportunity for all of a team's coaches to chat face - to - face
in a less
real - time
atmosphere, by the time the guys
in the booth get down the elevator and to the locker room, they've got about five or 10 minutes.
There are no
real AKB's left but Stan has brought
in 100's of Yankee infiltrators among us to create an
atmosphere of doubt.
It doesn't mean that all is good
in the world again as the
real judgement will come when they got to Stamford... More A return to winning ways but
in a strange
atmosphere
For tonight's match against Borussia Dortmund, a communication went out to all
Real Madrid club members asking them to wear their white shirts and have their Madrid scarves at the ready to create as much of a hostile
atmosphere in an attempt to intimidate their teutonic opponents.
The booklet, aimed at dads and their families, features
real people,
real stories and
real experiences, along with up to date research on fathers» and male carers» importance
in their children's lives — making it ideal for improving dads» sense of worth and for creating a more father - friendly
atmosphere in your organisation.
Less is More:... But, after two birth experiences
in hospitals, I believe I can honestly say that the circus - like
atmosphere that occurs
in a lot delivery rooms can be a
real turn - off, and maybe even an impediment, for a woman
in labor.
The combination of a history and culture of violence
in the DRC, together with an election process featuring an alarming lack of candidates running on platforms of any
real political substance, seems to have resulted
in an election
atmosphere characterized by tactics of coercion, intimidation, and fear.