Does more evaporation lead to more clouds and if so is the net effect of more clouds to increase albedo or to further
increase GHE?
However, I think, given some solar heating of the stratosphere, stratospheric cooling from
an increased GHE can be enhanced, and that it could happen for a grey gas GHE as well — maybe not for the whole stratosphere, but for part of it.
I also want to explain why the middle atmosphere cools with increasing greenhouse gas concentrations associated with
an increased GHE.
Not exact matches
GHE supporters can not actually face a discussion of the assertion that
increasing the concentration of CO2 in the air surrounding a thermometer causes an
increase in the temperature shown by such thermometer.
GHE enthusiasts claim that GHGs actually heat thermometers — temperatures steadily
increase — day by day, year by year, century by century.
-- which is irrelevant to the existence of the
GHE or
increases due to AGW drivers.
When people understand the
GHE from this greenhouse or car analogy and from such simple images, then it becomes very easy to understand that adding more GHGs to the atmosphere will
increase the global warming.
If as you note the
GHE without anthropogenic inputs would be approximately 32 Deg C.; Given the amount of CO2 by natural process would be approximately 280ppm would suggest roughly 9 ppm of GHG would
increase temperatures approximately 1 Deg.
If a doubling of CO2 resulted in a temperature
increase of approximately 1 K before any non-Planck feedbacks (before water vapor, etc.), then assuming the same climate sensitivity to the total
GHE, removing the whole
GHE would result in about a (setting the TOA / tropopause distinction aside, as it is relatively small relative to the 155 W / m2 value) 155/3.7 * 1 K ~ = 42 K. Which is a bit more than 32 or 33 K, though I'm not surprised by the difference.
(PS don't mistake this dependence on solar heating in this context to equate to an argument that all full - equilibrium stratospheric cooling in the
increase of a
GHE requires stratospheric solar heating; also, this additional 10 W / m2 doesn't include any stratospheric adjustment effect.)
CO2 also becomes a more effective greenhouse gas at higher atmospheric pressures (even if super-imposed upon several more bars of a non-greenhouse gas like N2 would generate a much stronger
GHE by
increasing absorption away from line centers).
I do not deny the facts (
increased CO2 from FF, the
GHE of CO2).
Conversely, as OHC drops, the impact of the
GHE would
increase.
For instance, the
GHE is based on
increasing the residence time of certain WL of LWIR energy via redirecting exiting LWIR energy back into the system, while input remains constant, thus more total energy is within the system.
It is kind of hard to reconcile a
increase of Co2 from 360 ppm to 390 ppm over 16 years with both the observed zero temperature
increase and
GHE theory.
At this point, the GCMs
increase clouds because clouds also produce a
GHE, but the GCMs don't use the
increased water vapor and clouds to
increase cloud cover, thereby
increasing cloud albedo, the mitigating reaction in nature.
The
GHE (change in outgoing LW) was relatively small (and in the opposite direction, i.e. outflow
increased).
So I don't see how you can accept the existence of the
GHE but dispute that
increasing CO2 in the atmosphere will cause warming.
RKS: there is a
GHE because by reducing surface emissivity, GHGs
increase the impedance for the transfer to the atmosphere and space of the 160 W / m ^ 2 average solar warming of the surface.
The decreasing specific humidity (especially at 300 and 400 mb levels) almost totally offsets the
GHE of
increasing CO2 content.
But water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas, so the
GHE becomes stronger and temperatures
increase more.
http://johnosullivan.livejournal.com/43659.html «Dr. Spencer's essay «Yes, Virginia, Cooler Objects Can Make Warmer Objects Even Warmer Still» (July 23, 2011), written to support the greenhouse gas effect (
GHE) the science behind man - made global warming has sparked
increased criticism since publication.
But if «
GHE» is interpreted to mean «
increased surface warming», then it is equally a factoid to assert that the
GHE of CO2 is not saturated.
Complete nonsense, of course, but
GHE followers believe that insulators
increase temperatures of thermometers — as in «Hottest year EVAH!
The
GHE is the temperature
increase needed to overcome higher thermal impedance plus some atmospheric warming.
Now, that 33C «
increase» may well be due to the
GHE that you describe.
So the only
GHE is an
increased occurrence of rising warm air?
Just guessing here, but I think the above response in the comments for the RC article by Minnett discusses where Rob Painting thinks Aaron Lewis is misunderstanding the skin layer and how the enhanced
GHE slows heat loss from the oceans, which, obviously, results in
increased OHC.
Shouldn; t Arrhenius have said (obviously) that «more added energy photons means more warming» Which is obvious since it is the suns photons & Earths rotation that
increases and decreases the number of photons which changes the temperature &
GHE daily?
Then consider that whenever the number of photons does decrease (every day after the peak at noon) that the number of
GHE interactions MUST also decrease, and that the number of unused GHGs (in the
GHE process) MUST
increase, thus establishing that there is AN EXCESS of GHGs over those used in the
GHE process, and therefore ALL of the GHGs generated (either by man as CO2, or as WV by feedback) do NOT necessarily have to be in use to create more
GHE warming.
The simple conceptual model also provides a link between the
GHE and the hydrological cycle and offers explanations for some issues that have been up for popular public debate, showing why the issue of» saturation» is not relevant and why a» hiatus» is not in violation with an
increased greenhouse effect.
The trend in the atmospheric overturning, (1100 ± 90) kg s − 1 / decade, in the atmospheric middle levels (black; 1000 — 6500 m) supports the notion of
increased optical depth and hence and enhanced
GHE.
(b) the GW effect is due to
increased greenhouse effect (
GHE), which is due to elevated CO2, right?