Given what
we know about methane leakage, it makes absolutely no sense to convert vehicle fleets to natural gas.
Outline What do
we know about methane potential of the ESAS?
Could I just ask the good and informed folks here, from what people
know about methane, is this what we should expect to see — increasing amounts in the Arctic in March?
So I don't
know about methane in the deep past, but I do agree with your conclusion about our future.
Peatlands and mangroves are well known for their huge carbon - storing potential — mangrove soils alone store up to 4 times more carbon than trees — however, less is
known about methane and nitrous oxide emissions, which may be important for their global warming potential, warns Hergoualc» h.
Little is
known about methane fluxes from the millions...
Not exact matches
«It's outrageous and it's astounding, how little we
know [
about leaks],» said Nathan Phillips, a Boston University researcher who is working to figure out how much
methane is leaking from cities.
Scientists
know Pluto's surface is made up of nitrogen,
methane and carbon monoxide but they want to learn more
about how the materials behave at 390 degrees below zero.
While little is
known about how this
methane might affect health, its presence at elevated levels is an explosion hazard, says Jackson.
«The process of anaerobic oxidation of
methane in freshwater wetlands appears distinct in some regards to what we
know about this process in marine sediments,» Joye said.
RICHLAND, Wash. — As the Arctic warms, tons of carbon locked away in Arctic tundra will be transformed into the powerful greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and
methane, but scientists
know little
about how that transition takes place.
I'd love to
know what they did take into account in attempting to model that period — must include astronomical location, sun's behavior, best estimates
about a lot of different conditions — where the continents were, what the ocean circulation was doing, whether there had been a recent geological period that laid down a lot of
methane hydrates available to be tipped by Pliocene warming into bubbling out rapidly.
Until recently, little was
known about exactly where and how much
methane was emitted during oil and gas activities.
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«We
know rather little
about how much
methane comes from different sources and how these have been changing in response to industrial and agricultural activities or because of climate events like droughts,» says Hinrich Schaefer, an atmospheric scientist at the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA) in New Zealand, who collaborates with Petrenko.
Not really, because the one real hard fact that we
know about atmospheric
methane is that it's concentration isn't rising very quickly.
We
know a lot
about the
methane cycle, but as far as forecasting the near - term future, we have no clue.
How could they answer that when no one even
knows how much of the warming is due to CO2 or
methane and when there is absolutely no way to account for all of the various feedbacks (notably, of course, including the ones that they haven't thought of or don't
know about)?
You say: «We
know a lot
about the
methane cycle, but as far as forecasting the near - term future, we have no clue.
I'd feel so much better
about your continued calm in the face of multiple lines of evidence indicating rapidly increasing
methane escaping in the arctic if you were actually researching
methane, which you aren't, so far as I
know.
-- Of course, we all must realize that absent something we don't all
know about (or the
methane shock troops being right, which the science does not appear to support; while faintly agreeing that increased
methane can't be good it appears the more knowledgeable sorts are saying the quantities are out of whack for going all shock - horror on it just yet, while other problems multiply and are bad enough without giving ourselves nightmares), the weather is going to return to something more like normal in the next couple of years.
The
methane discussion above fascinates, I do nt think we
know everything
about it, since a lot of it is under sea ice at bottom of arctic ocean.
I think I
know what you mean here but in the context of the previous Much Ado
about Methane article with discussion of the difference between atmospheric lifetime of a CO2 molecule vs. lifetime of an increase in concentration, this could also be put more clearly.
Yet most everything
known and published
about methane indicates this scenario is very unlikely.
No - one at NASA or any other reputable climatological source that I
know about is saying that a massive release of clathrate - stored
methane into the atmosphere is a serious risk we'll face any time soon.
Although researchers
know that the concentration of
methane fluctuated widely in the past, they are still unsure
about the processes that drove those changes.
The problem with this, of course, is that we
know next to nothing
about the
methane cycle, and are mystified even by the modern behavior of the gas, as it has been declining for no (apparent) cause.
The amount of CO2 and
methane (CH4) in the atmosphere determines the greenhouse effect — so we need to
know more
about these sources.»
The Kyoto Protocol is a treaty to regulate «Greenhouse Gases» only: - Carbon dioxide (CO2)-
Methane (CH4)- Nitrous oxide (N2O)(Laughing Gas, Nitrous,
NOS)- Hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs)- Perfluorocarbons (PFCs)- Sulphur hexafluoride (SF6) Car Exhaust consists of: Harmless: - Carbon dioxide (CO2)- Nitrogen (N2)- Water vapor (H2O) Some Pollutants: - Carbon monoxide (CO) * - Hydrocarbons or Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) * - Nitric oxide (NO) * - Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) * - Particulate matter (PM - 10) * - Sulfur dioxide (SO2) * * Your car's catalytic converter removes
about 95 % of these pollutants.
«If we want to get serious
about reducing
methane emissions, we now
know better where we have to start working,» Schaefer said.
Everyone
knows about the terrible effects of permafrost melt and
methane release.
As we all
know the residence time of
methane in the biosphere is in the order of a gazillion years, rather than
about 3 years.
I'm vacuuming up everything I can find as as far as I
know, there's an awful lot we don't
know and it's perfectly clear there's a lot of
methane about from a lot of different sources, some of which are not a problem.
That noted, here are four things you need to
know about this project and the extensive media coverage it's received, as well as EDF's past
methane research and
methane emissions in general.
But again and again I just see the same shit come out of you people «air temps, air temps, air temps» is all you
know how to fucking look at, and the actually CO2 and
methane levels, you don't have a clue how much society produces compared to natural causes, right now people make
about 50x as much as nature puts out.
RealClimate is wonderful, and an excellent source of reliable information.As I've said before,
methane is an extremely dangerous component to global warming.Comment # 20 is correct.There is a sharp melting point to frozen
methane.A huge increase in the release of
methane could happen within the next 50 years.At what point in the Earth's temperature rise and the rise of co2 would a huge
methane melt occur?No one has answered that definitive issue.If I ask you all at what point would huge amounts of extra
methane start melting, i.e at what temperature rise of the ocean near the Artic
methane ice deposits would the
methane melt, or at what point in the rise of co2 concentrations in the atmosphere would the
methane melt, I believe that no one could currently tell me the actual answer as to where the sharp melting point exists.Of course, once that tipping point has been reached, and billions of tons of
methane outgass from what had been locked stores of
methane, locked away for an eternity, it is exactly the same as the burning of stored fossil fuels which have been stored for an eternity as well.And even though
methane does not have as long a life as co2, while it is around in the air it can cause other tipping points, i.e. permafrost melting, to arrive much sooner.I will reiterate what I've said before on this and other sites.
Methane is a hugely underreported, underestimated risk.How
about RealClimate attempts to model exactly what would happen to other tipping points, such as the melting permafrost, if indeed a huge increase in the melting of the methal hydrate ice WERE to occur within the next 50 years.My amateur guess is that the huge, albeit temporary, increase in
methane over even three or four decades might push other relevent tipping points to arrive much, much, sooner than they normally would, thereby vastly incresing negative feedback mechanisms.We
KNOW that quick, huge, changes occured in the Earth's climate in the past.See other relevent posts in the past from Realclimate.Climate often does not change slowly, but undergoes huge, quick, changes periodically, due to negative feedbacks accumulating, and tipping the climate to a quick change.Why should the danger from huge potential
methane releases be vievwed with any less trepidation?
But while scientists
know that «fugitive
methane» is a concern, there's much uncertainty
about the full extent of the problem.
We
know a lot more
about where fugitive
methane emissions come from and how to address them.
What I learned
about ocean
methane was reasonably reassuring, with the caveat that scientists would like to
know a great deal more
about these deposits before declaring for certain that the hazard is minimal.
But given what we
know now
about methane release and global temp spikes and sea level rise and so on, we are poised to soon see the eruption of violent weather events on a scale heretofore unimaginable.