ie: «little is
known about climate sensitivity» and «little is known about future emissions».
There is a lot we do not know about cloud - aerosol interaction and that impacts what we do not
know about climate sensitivity.
What do
we know about climate sensitivity?
Not exact matches
Specifically, Newell and a co-author from the Air Force named Thomas Dopplick challenged the prevailing view that a doubling of the earth's CO2 blanket would raise temperatures
about 3 °C (5 °F)-- a measure
known as
climate sensitivity.
As for the points Ferdinand makes in his (large) comment, I still contend that Ferdinand is misinterpreting the work on
climate sensitivity to various forcings, and the need to make the
sensitivity inference consistent with what we
know about the physics of the system.
I think that the vast majority of lay readers who read the headlines and the text of stories on
climate sensitivity do not
know this and they simply presume that the scientists concerned are talking
about their absolute best estimates of the possible temperature increases which may be faced.
I don't
know about Nature and real climatologists, but I was interested in Efficiently constraining
climate sensitivity with paleoclimate simulations.
FWIW, we found an upper limit on
climate sensitivity of
about 6C, but apparently that also isn't sexy enough to publish cos everyone
knew it already.
I don't
know what you are talking
about regarding the
climate sensitivities.
3 - These assumptions themselves are based on assumptions (that internal forcings have no influence and that forcing is external and that we understand the effects this will have - inc.
climate sensitivity) 4 - THESE assumptions are based on the assumption that we
know enough
about the system to make these sort of judgements.
We
know the planet will warm between
about 1.5 and 4.5 °C in response to the increased greenhouse effect from a doubling of atmospheric carbon dioxide (the «
climate sensitivity»).
capt. dallas, you have not understood my equation, and are changing the subject by even talking
about entropy and 33 C. My equation applies to
sensitivity around today's
climate, not a hypothetical
no - GHG
climate.
They wrote (as quoted by you): «But given how little is
known about either the
climate's
sensitivity to greenhouse - gas emissions or
about future emissions levels,...» The use of the word «either» makes it very clear that The Economist
knows that uncertainty
about climate sensitivity is * not * the same thing as (or «equal to») uncertainty
about emissions.
[¶]... Basing our assessment on a combination of several independent lines of evidence, as summarised in Box 10.2 Figures 1 and 2, including observed
climate change and the strength of
known feedbacks simulated in GCMs, we conclude that the global mean equilibrium warming for doubling CO2, or «equilibrium
climate sensitivity», is likely to lie in the range 2 °C to 4.5 °C, with a most likely value of
about 3 °C.
The vast majority of the public
knows a lot less
about climate sensitivity, the link between hurricanes and CO2 or analogues with past
climates than either you or I do, but the link between these issues and actual policy is quite convoluted.
But the author may
know nothing
about energy balance or transient
climate sensitivity or the attribution problem.
We
know the
climate sensitivity to radiative forcing to be
about 3 °C per 4 W / m2 of forcing to within something like a 10 % uncertainty, base on current
climate modeling and the geological record (see Hansen et al., 2008) for details http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abs/ha00410c.html The natural (unforced) variability of the
climate system is going to remain highly uncertain for the foreseeable future.
It's especially plausible given what we
know about the
sensitivity of
climate to ocean surface conditions.
Some of the
climate denialists are proposing
climate sensitivities that are simply physically implausible, couldn't be the case in reality at all, contradicting everything we
know about the
climate system.
One of the most interesting things
about the
climate debate is that in one place it involves people arguing
about point A (in this case
sensitivity), by assuming that B is well
known (in this case temperature change), while not far away people are hotly debating B. Most of AGW science, including F&G, is based on assuming that the surface statistical model means are facts.
I
know that earlier Forster & Gregory inconsistently describe the conclusion as the «suggestion» of a relatively small
climate sensitivity, but in the light of their aforementioned subsequent statement
about robustness I see that as likely to have been a sop to a reviewer who was hostile to their conclusion.
If Andrew Neil
knew more
about the science he might understand 1) how biased a perspective his chosen lines of questioning sometimes give on AGW, 2) that the IPCC's (AR4) suggested range for
climate sensitivity is in line with the large body of evidence on the subject, and 2) how out on a limb scientists such as Judith Curry and Roy Spencer are from the mainstream evidence - based consensus.
Weitzman assumes a fat tail distribution, I am saying we don't
know what the distribution looks like, and that we can probably bound it on the upper end (Wietzman's 20C
climate sensitivity is beyond anything anyone is talking
about).
In a remarkable example of scientific malfeasance, it has become apparent that the IPCC
knew a lot more than it revealed in its 2013
climate compendium
about how low the earth's
climate sensitivity is likely to be.
► First, AGW model - makers refuse to change their assumptions
about the
climate's
sensitivity to CO2 — natural or otherwise —
no matter what reason dictates; and,
If the authors don't provide a solid physical explanation for why we should
no longer expect to see the observed quadratic trend we have been seeing since 1850 and instead expect
no more than a linear trend after 2000, the paper would appear to fall flat on its face (at least as concerns its conclusions that
climate sensitivity should be
about 1/3 what the IPCC predicts).
IPCC (2007) does not mention κ and, therefore, provides neither error - bars nor a «Level of Scientific Understanding» (the IPCC's subjective measure of the extent to which enough is
known about a variable to render it useful in quantifying
climate sensitivity).
Curry might say something
about the» 76 - ’78 warm phase, but either
climate sensitivity is
no more her expertise than many amateur bloggers or she is intentionally muddying the waters with a long screed
about Balmaseda reanalysis and attacking the strawman of «hiatus = missing heat».
As noted above, we do not
know enough
about natural variation to extract the so called
climate sensitivity from the noise.