The New Testament superceded the old testament... we are no longer under
the law of the old testament.
The Bible certainly contains detailed instructions — e.g. the specifically Jewish
Law of the Old Testament (although large parts of that are actually case law and as such are intended as examples to be more widely applied through common sense).
If a lot of radical Xtians had their way then we would be under a theocracy and using
the laws of the old testament, which aren't much different than the koran.
The Civil and Ceremonial
laws of the Old Testament and the Abrahamic Covenant applied to a specific people for a specific time, and unless they are ratified in the New Testament under the New Covenant, they are gone, and are not applicable for today.
Pretending that you are no longer bound by
the law of the Old Testament is the easy path to hell
@Triago: Jesus said to follow
the law of the old testament ALL OF IT.
What is less clear to me is why complementarians like Keller insist that that 1 Timothy 2:12 is a part of biblical womanhood, but Acts 2 is not; why the presence of twelve male disciples implies restrictions on female leadership, but the presence of the apostle Junia is inconsequential; why the Greco - Roman household codes represent God's ideal familial structure for husbands and wives, but not for slaves and masters; why the apostle Paul's instructions to Timothy about Ephesian women teaching in the church are universally applicable, but his instructions to Corinthian women regarding head coverings are culturally conditioned (even though Paul uses the same line of argumentation — appealing the creation narrative — to support both); why the poetry of Proverbs 31 is often applied prescriptively and other poetry is not; why Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob represent the supremecy of male leadership while Deborah and Huldah and Miriam are mere exceptions to the rule; why «wives submit to your husbands» carries more weight than «submit one to another»; why
the laws of the Old Testament are treated as irrelevant in one moment, but important enough to display in public courthouses and schools the next; why a feminist reading of the text represents a capitulation to culture but a reading that turns an ancient Near Eastern text into an apologetic for the post-Industrial Revolution nuclear family is not; why the curse of Genesis 3 has the final word on gender relationships rather than the new creation that began at the resurrection.
As in, went against
the laws of the Old Testament?
That is, we no longer follow the customary
laws of the Old Testament, but the Royal Law (a word also used by Aristotle) as referenced in James 2, that to love your neighbor as yourself is the whole of it?
1 Corinthians 11:14 (Men should not have long hair) 1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35 (Women should remain silent in church) Deuteronomy 13:6 - 16 (Death penalty for Apostasy) Deuteronomy 20:10 - 14 (Attack city, kill all men, keep women, children as spoils of war) Deuteronomy 21:18 - 21 (Death penalty for a rebellious son) Deuteronomy 22:19 - 25 (Kill non - virgin / kill adulterers / rapists) Ecclesiastes 1:18 (Knowledge is bad) Exodus 21:1 - 7 (Rules for buying slaves) Exodus 35:2 (Death for working on the Sabbath) Ezekiel 9:5 - 6 (Murder women / children) Genesis 1:3,4,5,11,12,16 (God creates light, night and day, plants grow, before creating sun) Genesis 3:16 (Man shall rule over woman) Jeremiah 19:9 (Cannibalism) John 3:18 (He who believes in Jesus is saved, he that doesn't is condemned) John 5:46 - 47 (Jesus references Old Testament) Leviticus 3:1 - 17 (Procedure for animal sacrifice) Leviticus 19:19 (No mixed fabrics in clothing) Leviticus 19:27 (Don't trim hair or beard) Leviticus 19:28 (No tattoos) Leviticus 20:9 (Death for cursing father or mother) Leviticus 20:10 (Death for adultery) Leviticus 20:13 (Death for gay men) Leviticus 21:17 - 23 (Ugly people, lame, dwarfs, not welcome on altar) Leviticus 25:45 (Strangers can be bought as slaves) Luke 12:33 (Sell your possessions, and give to the poor) Luke 14:26 (You must hate your family and yourself to follow Jesus) Mark 10:11 - 12 (Leaving your spouse for another is adultery) Mark 10:21 - 22 (Sell your possessions and give to the poor) Mark 10:24 - 25 (Next to impossible for rich to get into heaven) Mark 16:15 - 16 (Those who hear the gospel and don't believe go to hell) Matthew 5:17 - 19 (Jesus says he has come to enforce
the laws of the Old Testament) Matthew 6:5 - 6 (Pray in secret) Matthew 6:18 (Fast for Lent in secret) Matthew 9:12 (The healthy don't need a doctor, the sick do) Matthew 10:34 - 37 (Jesus comes with sword, turns families against each other, those that love family more than him are not worthy) Matthew 12:30 (If you're not with Jesus, you're against him) Matthew 15:4 (Death for not honouring your father and mother) Matthew 22:29 (Jesus references Old Testament) Matthew 24:37 (Jesus references Old Testament) Numbers 14:18 (Following generations blamed for the sins of previous ones) Psalms 137:9 (Violence against children) Revelation 6:13 (The stars fell to earth like figs) Revelation 21:8 (Unbelievers, among others, go to hell) 1 Timothy 2:11 - 12 (Women subordinate and must remain silent) 1 Timothy 5:8 (If you don't provide for your family, you are an infidel)
The hate and anger about him not following
the law of the old testament, is not right.
Why are we so focused on
the laws of the Old Testament?
That is under the old law but Jesus says that he has brought a new law and that we do not have to follow
the law of the old testament, but sin never changes.
He reported that he and his boss talked theology almost every day over lunch, and that his boss, although good and knowledgeable Christian, had distressing antinomian tendencies due to his neglect of the moral
law of the Old Testament.
They were not written for you or I. Secondly, the ceremonial, sacrificial, and dietary
laws of the Old Testament are no longer binding as laid out in the New Testament.
Jesus said you are to follow all of
the laws of the Old Testament.
So meh, you think that Jesus» direct command to obey
the laws of the Old Testament in Matthew 5:17 - 18 was somehow changed by his crucifixion?
God reduced in Christ
the laws of the Old Testament decalogue to two: love to God and love to man, universal and entire.
On these matters some would argue that the cultic
laws of the Old Testament are no longer binding, and they must be distinguished from its moral commandments.
But if
the laws of Old Testament Israel ought not to govern our treatment of, say, adultery, why should they govern the penalty for murder?
We are no longer subject to
the laws of the Old Testament, so plant whatever crops you want
I am not sure where your Bible is from (I for One am very glad to be out from under
the Law of the Old Testament), but the verses you suggest may be better understood if we read Galatians; 5:19 - 21.
Not exact matches
Exactly what is the value
of the
Law in the
Old Testament other than to point out the sinful nature
of man and his need for a savior.
Jewish writer AJ Jacobs tried living according to the
Old Testament law in The Year
of Living Biblically (Simon & Schuster).
Finally, I've not said anything about
old testament law, unless I missed in a giant lapse
of consciousness.
Luther's mistrust
of the message
of James» i.e., that faith without validating works is dead (James 2)» has been inherited by and continues to hamstring Luther's spiritual offspring, who wrongly juxtapose grace and
law, mercy and justice, love and holiness, indeed, the ethical standards
of the
Old and New
Testaments.
ragansteve1 Isn't the Christian insistence that the
Old Testament Law no longer applies to believers
of God not a case
of «Moral Relativism»?
(New
Testament) Whay did Christ die on the cross anyway, if the
old way was good enough??? When Paul speaks
of the
law he means anything that we should must or ought be doing.
The moral
law (10 Commandments) presented in the
Old Testament still applies under the New Covenant because the moral
law is reflective
of the very character
of God.
Here's a biblical quote where jesus says we should follow the OT: Jesus orders Christians to follow the
Law of Moses in the
Old Testament: «Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the
Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
In the
Old Testament, the divine
law was written onto two tablets
of stone, but in the New
Testament, the divine
law is written on our hearts (Romans 2:15)
The
law in the
Old Testament: «You shall not lay a male as with the laying
of a woman, it is an offensive thing».
the
law refers mostly to the torah (the first five books
of the
old testament), which serve no purpose in purifying christians, as evidenced by the fact that we christians no longer sacrifice rams.
The tradition in question here was a matter
of the distinction between clean and unclean, which is prominent both in the
Old Testament and in the oral
law.
And he presented the
Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms
of the
Old Testament as speaking
of him (Luke 25:25 - 27, 44 - 47)-- which for the most part they don't literally but they do spiritually.
Advice given in this way has something
of an
Old Testament ring about it, even if it is true that the
law of the Lord is perfect and that it brings life to the soul.
Jesus condenses the
Old Testament prophetic ethic (quoting from Deuteronomy and Leviticus) when he declares that «all the
law and the prophets» depend upon love
of God and love
of neighbor (Matt.
The
Law from the
Old Testament was fulfilled when Christ came, from that time forward we have the Gospel
of Christ, thus you read
of no animal sacrifices in the New
Testament, for example, just to give you an idea.
Unfortunately the author neglects to understand, as most people do, that Jesus, by fulfilling all
laws, made the
old testament irrelevent in terms
of how we live our lives.
But i understand that if you want to make fun
of Christians, the easiest thing to do is use Jewish
old testament laws.
It is true that tithing has its foundations in
Old Testament Levitical
Law, and even before the law was given to Moses, as in the story of Abraham bringing a tithe to Melchized
Law, and even before the
law was given to Moses, as in the story of Abraham bringing a tithe to Melchized
law was given to Moses, as in the story
of Abraham bringing a tithe to Melchizedek.
You don't even know the difference between the books
of the
law, the priesthood, and the prophets from the
Old Testament.
Since the teaching about being loving, even to someone that hates you, was a part
of the
Old Testament Law, we need to carefully examine the words Christ spoke.
It was part
of the
Old Testament Law that people were to be loving, even to their enemies.
The point
of the
Old Testament is that humanity is incapable
of obeying God's
law, and so stands condemned before God, but a Redeemer can reconcile those who trust in Him.
In the
Old Testament however, God was trying to set up an earthly kingdom, one that had rulers and
laws with a system
of taxation, government, and military might.
In the
Old Testament book
of Jeremiah, the writer tells us that God «established (his) covenant with day and night, and with the fixed
laws of heaven and earth.»
He might even know that Christians are forbidden from obeying
Old Testament law, while understanding that the
Old Testament provides a preview
of the New.
I could hear in it the echo
of youthful Sunday school lessons on the superiority
of the New
Testament's
law of love over the
Old Testament's rule
of vengeance.
They do not understand the
old testament laws ment for the jewish pack and the New
testament that improves all the
laws and greater understanding
of Love, mercy and the
law it self.