You think it is OK for us to re-create a Cretaceous -
like climate on Earth, just so we can all be a few percent richer?
Not exact matches
So what are scientists to make of emerging data showing rapid
climate change
on earth 55 million years ago that looks just
like what's happening today?
I would
like to share with you the work of our senior economist Marc Lee, who heads up our
Climate Justice Project, as well as the work of one of our research associates, veteran
earth scientist David Hughes (who spent 32 years working for the Geological Survey of Canada, where he focused
on unconventional gas, coal and oil research).
Left - leaning blogs and sites
like ThinkProgress and Huffington Post jumped
on Rubio's comments, with the Zack Beauchamp from ThingProgress writing, «To suggest we can't know how old the
Earth is, then, is to deny the validity of these scientific methods altogether — a maneuver familiar to Rubio, who also denies the reality of anthropogenic
climate change.»
«The result is not a surprise, but if you look at the global
climate models that have been used to analyze what the planet looked
like 20,000 years ago — the same models used to predict global warming in the future — they are doing,
on average, a very good job reproducing how cold it was in Antarctica,» said first author Kurt Cuffey, a glaciologist at the University of California, Berkeley, and professor of geography and of
earth and planetary sciences.
New research shows the vital role of oceans in moderating
climate on Earth -
like planets.
Until now, computer simulations of habitable
climates on Earth -
like planets have focused
on their atmospheres.
New research published today in the journal Astrobiology shows the vital role of oceans in moderating
climate on Earth -
like planets.
So if you think of going in [a] warming direction of 2 degrees C compared to a cooling direction of 5 degrees C, one can say that we might be changing the
Earth, you know,
like 40 percent of the kind of change that went
on between the Ice Age; and now are going back in time and so a 2 - degree change, which is about 4 degrees F
on a global average, is going to be very significant in terms of change in the distribution of vegetation, change in the kind of
climate zones in certain areas, wind patterns can change, so where rainfall happens is going to shift.
Eberle and Kim said the early - middle Eocene greenhouse period from 53 to 38 million years ago is used as a deep - time analog by
climate scientists for what could happen
on Earth if CO2 and other greenhouse gases in
Earth's atmosphere continue to rise, and what a «runaway» greenhouse effect potentially could look
like.
Wet tropical forests,
like this one
on the Osa Peninsula in southwestern Costa Rica, are among the most productive ecosystems
on earth, and new research points to the importance of both temperature and rainfall
on future plant growth as the
climate changes.
Venus is
like a greenhouse effect
on steroids; by studying what happened to the planet's
climate in the past, scientists hope to better understand
climate change
on Earth.
«
On some level, watching these milestones be passed is a lot
like watching paint dry,» Jason Smerdon, a
climate researcher at Columbia University's Lamont - Doherty Earth Observatory, told Climate Central in an
climate researcher at Columbia University's Lamont - Doherty
Earth Observatory, told
Climate Central in an
Climate Central in an email.
It's something of an abstract concept, but with real world implications, and the universality of such physical models, based
on things
like radiative balance, atmospheric composition and density, distance from the local Sun, etc., is a very strong argument in favor of general acceptance of the results of
climate models and observations
on Earth.
Once again, I'd
like to think that these groups» conclusions
on the science, along with the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Change, can help bound, at least a little, the comments on Dot Earth on climate science and its implic
Climate Change, can help bound, at least a little, the comments
on Dot
Earth on climate science and its implic
climate science and its implications.
It is not surprising that you find such conspiracy theories
on Anthony Watts» sectarian blog WUWT, a place where
climate science amateurs present
earth - shattering insights to their echo chamber
like: The CO2 increase is not due to burning fossil fuels, but to insects!
Although all indications
like sunspot (group) number, sun cycle length, TSI, AA index, GCR, 10Be, 14C all have a good correlations with each other
on long term, short term differences make it rather difficult to decide what is the best indication for the sun -
earth climate connection.
Its not
like solar flux is being ignored; far from it, as many of the realclimate authors have written about the effects of solar radiative changes
on the
earth's
climate in the peer reviewed literature.
What about the feedbacks that are not normally well represented by ECS and normally fall into the
Earth System
Climate Sensitivity, stuff
like the Arctic Ice cover, which now has trends over decades closer to what was seen
on centuries in paleoclimate:
From Victor's blog: «While
climate change has always been an important factor in the saga of life
on Earth, over the last several years the phrase has become a slogan for a worldwide movement looking more and more
like a classic doomsday cult.»
Many of us do our best to stay up to date
on emerging topics
like climate change, soil depletion and the exploitation of the
earth's greatest aquifers.
And then there is his latest doomsday scenario of human CO2 emission causing global warming so hot that humanity
on Earth is wiped out by a Venus -
like climate of 250 degrees.
Well it depends
on whether you are talking about
Climate Sensitivity (Charney sensitivity... which is modelled) or
Earth System Sensitivity (where things
like ice sheet extent, vegetation cover etc are regarded as able to respond quickly to warming).
Sounds
like you put some weight
on what the sun is up to and I agree, have always felt climatologists in general are stuck
on a self - importance mindset thinking the sun can be ignored and that the
Earth controls it's own
climate, I also think not so.
«We found that several vulnerable elements in
Earth's
climate system —
like the Amazon and other big rain forests,
like the great ice sheets that have so much sea level locked up in their ice — could be pushed toward abrupt or irreversible change if we go
on toward 2100 with our business - as - usual increase in emissions of greenhouse gases,» he said.
Now Eli, to be sure, really doesn't know what is going
on between Richard Muller and Judy Curry, but this he does know, Judy is listed as an author
on all of the five Berkeley
Earth Surface Temperature papers, and the papers have been submitted for review (given some of the comments at places
like Tamino and Real
Climate, they are going to be improved before published).
Today, when scientists run complex
climate models
on powerful computers to simulate immeasurably more complex natural systems
like the
earth's
climate, we must not forget our commitment to truth or that «key to science.»
So while the consensus that CO2 is a «greenhouse» gas, meaning that
like water vapor and methane it absorbs and radiates solar energy in known quanta, there is no consensus
on the effect or «sensitivity»
Earth's
climate has to increases or decreases in it.
Science - minded
Climate Etc readers will enjoy too this week's arxiv special Increased insolation threshold for runaway greenhouse processes
on Earth like planets.
Is the
Earth's
climate so chaotic to render a prediction 10 years out
on something
like global temperature nonsense?
As developed countries have fled the Kyoto Protocol
like rats from a sinking ship,
climate financing continues to be central among the issues
on the table at the UNFCCC COP18 negotiations taking place right now in Doha, Qatar (as Friends of the
Earth's Karen Orenstein notes here).
The above statement is about
like saying that we can be «somewhat confident» that the
climate of the
earth without God would be different than the
climate of the
earth with God.Your observation is only a statement of faith - based ideology, totally unscientific, and arbitrarily a priori
on your part.
True, true, instead of the economic transformation for which Minister Al Gore opines — a unified
Earth under a centralized European - style secular socialist government, as he blames the practice of capitalism by a wasteful and over-consuming free people as the cause of,
climate change and extreme poverty and disease — the success of America should be a source of pride hope and an example to be emulated: Gore should have,
like George Bush, supported with America with his whole heart
on behalf of those everywhere who long for individual liberty.
i think that's inaccurate shx, the scientists did their work, and from what i could gather tried very hard not to overstate their case, the media did the scare - mongering and the media have then turned
like the whores they are in the other direction, al gore's film upped the tempo and although it seemed
like a good thing at the time, i think with hindsight it was a poisoned chalice, but lets be clear, doing research in multiple areas and having the results point to potentially catastrophic
climate change and asking for changes to be made to avert this is not scare - mongering, its common sense, accepting that their is margin for error but erring
on the side of caution since the stakes are life
on earth as we know it is not scare - mongering, it is the application of the precautionary principle and common sense
Since 2009, the U.N. Framework Convention
on Climate Change's goal has been to make sure the
Earth doesn't get warmer than 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels.1 That sounds
like a small number, but because it's a global average, it contains all sorts of fluctuations — for the whole planet to get warmer by that amount means that some places are getting much hotter.
Like Mars,
climate changes
on Earth are natural.
On blogs
like Dr. Curry's I continually see learned, and heated, arguments over the meaning of fluctuations in the «annual temperature of the
earth» in the hundredths of a degree range (sometimes thousandths), with data plotted over hundreds or thousands of years, while noticing that there doesn't seem to be a DEFINITION of the «Annual Temperature of the Earth» and that the climate science community, collectively, would be hard pressed to provide me with an «Annual Temperature of Bob's House» with a credible and defensible resolution and precision of + / -.01 degree, using an instrumentation system of their ch
earth» in the hundredths of a degree range (sometimes thousandths), with data plotted over hundreds or thousands of years, while noticing that there doesn't seem to be a DEFINITION of the «Annual Temperature of the
Earth» and that the climate science community, collectively, would be hard pressed to provide me with an «Annual Temperature of Bob's House» with a credible and defensible resolution and precision of + / -.01 degree, using an instrumentation system of their ch
Earth» and that the
climate science community, collectively, would be hard pressed to provide me with an «Annual Temperature of Bob's House» with a credible and defensible resolution and precision of + / -.01 degree, using an instrumentation system of their choice.
The organizations that have responded so far,
like Friends of the
Earth and the National Resource Defense Council, largely have previously - stated positions
on climate engineering.
The fact that
climate change deniers can not agree who to pin their consipracy theories
on demonstrates how much they are
like those who insisted the
Earth is flat; then insisted it is only 6000 yrs old; then insisted that it is orbited by the Sun.
They also include models for things
like: entry into and exit from Ice Ages, the effect of the
Earth's orbit on climate, the earth's climate history on scales of thousands to millions of years, ocean - atmosphere couplings (e.g. heat transfer, CO2 sinks), decadal phenomena such as ENSO and the
Earth's orbit
on climate, the
earth's climate history on scales of thousands to millions of years, ocean - atmosphere couplings (e.g. heat transfer, CO2 sinks), decadal phenomena such as ENSO and the
earth's
climate history
on scales of thousands to millions of years, ocean - atmosphere couplings (e.g. heat transfer, CO2 sinks), decadal phenomena such as ENSO and the PDO.
While actual scientists are trying to piece together every little part of an otherwise almost un-piecable long term chaotic and variable system in response now to a massive increase in net lower atmospheric energy absorption and re radiation, Curry is busy — much
like most of the comments
on this site most of the time — trying to come up with or re-post every possible argument under the sun to all but argue against the basic concept that radically altering the atmosphere
on a multi million year basis is going to affect the net energy balance of
earth, which over time is going to translate into a very different
climate (and ocean level) than the one we've comfortably come to rely
on.
In other words, the claims should be heard, along with the relevant context, and not just the one sided claims in a vacuum, or «balanced» by non balancing he said / she said statements
like; «
climate scientists
on the other hand say the
earth is slowly warming and is likely to increasingly do so in the future.»
What I'd
like to know is how the sun drives the oscillations, and what a sun whose spots are disappearing before our eyes is going to wreak
on Climate Earth.
And
like Pharrell, Legend's commitment to the cause also is far from new — he performed during The
Climate Rally
on the National Mall in Washington, DC all the way back in April 2010 in honor of the 40th anniversary of
Earth Day.
It can be argued that there are no deleterious effects
on earth and
climate because
earth really does not have feelings
like humans, but it is having effects.
There is no reasonalbe explanation for why anyone would deny
Earth's
climate is the result of the holistic process we call nature and certainly no non-political explanation other than superstition or ignorance why and federal climatist would believe that a monophysical element
like CO2 with properties as we observe
on Earth could ever possible explain global warming — especially when we know that the Sun is the only independent variable that nominally explains both global warming and cooling.
Hansen began his career studying Venus, which was once a very
Earth -
like planet with plenty of life - supporting water before runaway
climate change rapidly transformed it into an arid and uninhabitable sphere enveloped in an unbreathable gas; he switched to studying our planet by 30, wondering why he should be squinting across the solar system to explore rapid environmental change when he could see it all around him
on the planet he was standing
on.
«Its ten pages of text are filled with gems of junk science, which are summed up in this ridiculous pontification: «Long - term changes in
climate will produce more extreme weather events and put greater stress
on critical
Earth systems
like oceans, freshwater, and biodiversity.
Rules agreed a meeting of fund's board described by Friends of the
Earth as «
like a torture convention that does not forbid torture» The UN fund to help developing countries fight
climate change can be spent
on coal - fired power plants — the most polluting form of electricity generation — under rules agreed at a board meeting.
I am assuming Scafetta has not analyzed the forces from Jupiter and Saturn to see what effect they might have
on Earth low frequency (
climate) ocean up / downwelling cycles or anything
like that.