Increasing GES concentration increases the cooling and hence
lowers the equilibrium temperature.
Anyway, I have encountered this question out in the wilds, and my response was that the CO2 container would have
the lower equilibrium temperature, the N2 container the higher because the CO2 is a good LW emitter and the N2 is not, consistent with, «So if you assume that two contained «bubbles» of gas with a given temperature were placed in space the N2 would cool much more slowly.»
Usually when you add energy to a surface it moves to a new higher equilibrium temperature, not
a lower equilibrium temperature.
Not exact matches
[1] CO2 absorbs IR, is the main GHG, human emissions are increasing its concentration in the atmosphere, raising
temperatures globally; the second GHG, water vapor, exists in
equilibrium with water / ice, would precipitate out if not for the CO2, so acts as a feedback; since the oceans cover so much of the planet, water is a large positive feedback; melting snow and ice as the atmosphere warms decreases albedo, another positive feedback, biased toward the poles, which gives larger polar warming than the global average; decreasing the
temperature gradient from the equator to the poles is reducing the driving forces for the jetstream; the jetstream's meanders are increasing in amplitude and slowing, just like the
lower Missippi River where its driving gradient decreases; the larger slower meanders increase the amplitude and duration of blocking highs, increasing drought and extreme
temperatures — and 30,000 + Europeans and 5,000 plus Russians die, and the US corn crop, Russian wheat crop, and Aussie wildland fire protection fails — or extreme rainfall floods the US, France, Pakistan, Thailand (driving up prices for disk drives — hows that for unexpected adverse impacts from AGW?)
Consider a box willed with gas, under two conditions: (1) the first box is in
equilibrium, at high
temperature, and thus has a high energy content; (2) the second box has
low energy content, but is out of
equilibrium: it is stirred by turbulent convection, produced by heating from below and cooling from above.
So naively adding more CO2 will have a cooling effect moving the
equilibrium temperature lower.
Actually, I thought about it and having oceanic circulation does allow this behavior (that the surface
temperature can decline when forcing is declining even while it is still less than the
equilibrium temperature)-- it makes sense because the deep ocean may still be pulling the surface
temperature toward a much
lower temperature.
then would increase the heat flow atmosphere - > ocean, leading to
lower (dynamic)
equilibrium temperature in the atmosphere which of course occurs very fast, as the thermal mass of the atmosphere is very
low compared to the net energy throughput.
# 192 «For example a strengthening of wind over some oceanic region http://web.science.unsw.edu.au/~matthew/nclimate2106-incl-SI.pdf then would increase the heat flow atmosphere - > ocean, leading to
lower (dynamic)
equilibrium temperature in the atmosphere which of course occurs very fast, as the thermal mass of the atmosphere is very
low compared to the net energy throughput.»
Hegerl et al (2006) for example used comparisons during the pre-industrial of EBM simulations and proxy
temperature reconstructions based entirely or partially on tree - ring data to estimate the
equilibrium 2xCO2 climate sensitivity, arguing for a substantially
lower 5 % -95 % range of 1.5 — 6.2 C than found in several previous studies.
For example, if the Earth got cold enough, the encroachment of snow and ice toward
low latitudes (where they have more sunlight to reflect per unit area), depending on the meridional
temperature gradient, could become a runaway feedback — any little forcing that causes some cooling will cause an expansion of snow and ice toward
lower latitudes sufficient to cause so much cooling that the process never reaches a new
equilibrium — until the snow and ice reach the equator from both sides, at which point there is no more area for snow and ice to expand into.
How about this brutally simplified calculation for a
lower bound of
equilibrium temperature sensitivity: — there seems to be a consensus that transient t.s. <
equilibrium t.s. — today, the trend line is a + 1 C (see Columbia graph)-- CO2 is at 410, which is 1.46 * 280 — rise is logarithmic, log (base2) of 1.46 = 0.55 — 1/0.55 = 1.8 — therefore, a
lower bound for ETS is 1.8 C
(PS a skin
temperature can be
lower than the brightness
temperature of the OLR because a very thin layer at the top of the atmosphere will absorb a tiny fraction of OLR, thus barely affecting OLR, but must in
equilibrium emit that same amount of energy both upwards and downwards; if it were as warm as the brightness
temperature of the OLR then it would emit twice what it absorbs and thus cool.
Depending on meridional heat transport, when freezing
temperatures reach deep enough towards
low - latitudes, the ice - albedo feedback can become so effective that climate sensitivity becomes infinite and even negative (implying unstable
equilibrium for any «ice - line» (latitude marking the edge of ice) between the equator and some other latitude).
Jim, Agreed, and depending on what one thinks will happen with methane and what one thinks the time to
equilibrium might be — the answer could actually higher or
lower than the ultimate
equilibrium temperature.
As more optical thickness is added to a «new» band, it will gain greater control over the
temperature profile, but eventually, the
equilibrium for that band will shift towards a cold enough upper atmosphere and warm enough
lower atmosphere and surface, such that farther increases will cool the upper atmosphere or just that portion near TOA while warming the
lower atmosphere and surface — until the optical thickness is so large (relative to other bands) that the band loses influence (except at TOA) and has little farther effect (except at TOA).
The high emissivity of CO2 in the IR actually contributes to our radiative
equilibrium temperature being another 20K or more
lower than that but I'll wait until somebody is interested in implementing the computations in CoSy or puts a table, not a graph, of an actual measured mean spectrum in my lap.
You can not raise the
temperature of a uniformly heated body at
equilibrium exposed to a source of radiant heat in a vacuum by surrounding it with gas of any sort, that is initially the same or a
lower temperature than the body.
Therefore at
low temperatures and high pressures as is the case in the
low atmosphere, the
equilibrium between the different quantum states (the proportions must stay constant) is mainly ruled by collisions.
I get the
equilibrium temperature after about 4000 years (on a multi-layer ocean) and cyclical variations in
temperature are 6K / 50 years with a fairly
low variation of the overall sensitivity.
In most planetary atmospheres, radiative
equilibrium temperatures can not be sustained in the
lower regions of the atmosphere..
If (a) the surfaces of both objects behave like a black body, (b) the surface
temperature of each body is everywhere the same, and (c) the internal energy sources are equal (i.e., their rates - of - internal - energy - generation are the same), at radiation - rate -
equilibrium the surface
temperature of the cube will be
lower than the surface
temperature of the sphere by the ratio of the fourth root of 1.2407 or 1.0554.
Eventually the system will come back to thermal
equilibrium at a much
lower temperature.
Has it ever occured to you that this
equilibrium moves quicker when the
temperatures are
lower?
I agree that reduction in snow or ice cover resulting from warming constitutes a likely slow positive feedback, but its magnitude may be quite small, at least for the modest changes in surface
temperature that can be expected to arise if sensitivity is in fact fairly
low, so the Forster / Gregory 06 results may nevertheless be a close approximation to a measurement of
equilibrium climate sensitivity.
The bottom of a cloud is the altitude at which the
temperature is
low enough for the
equilibrium to shift to the point where droplets become visible.
As P.r ² / R ² < P follows that: a) the shell has a
lower temperature than the inner sphere b) the shell and the inner sphere are not in thermal
equilibrium (e.g there is a net flux going from the inner sphere to the shell) c) The difference of
temperature between the shell and the inner sphere (so the net flux) increases as R increases..
The up going radiation (which is contributing to the thermal
equilibrium of the stratosphere) is now slightly
lower than previously which results in the
lowering of the
temperature of the Stratosphere.
This diagram shows that, once the hot surface
temperature was established who knows how long ago, it reached an thermal
equilibrium state with a large amount of energy transfer between the surface and the
lower levels of the atmosphere, and the planet as a whole reached an
equilibrium state with the Sun.
For the much
lower stabilisation scenarios (category I and II, Figure 5.1), the
equilibrium temperature may be reached earlier.
That is, there is still a fair chance that we can «hold the 2 °C line», if strong mitigation of greenhouse gases is combined with the following three actions: (i) a slow, rather than instant, elimination of aerosol cooling, (ii) a directed effort to first remove warming aerosols like black carbon, and (iii) a concerted and sustained programme, over this century, to draw - down excessive CO2 (geo - and bio-engineering) and simultaneously reduce non-CO2 forcings, such that the final
equilibrium temperature rise will be
lower than would otherwise be expected on the basis of current concentrations.
... he realized the extreme complexity of the
temperature control at any particular region of the earth's surface, and also that radiative
equilibrium was not actually established, but if any substance is added to the atmosphere which delays the transfer of
low temperature radiation, without interfering with the arrival or distribution of the heat supply, some rise of
temperature appears to be inevitable in those parts which are furthest from outer space.
Example 4 is the one of interest where the first body has reached an
equilibrium temperature with the sun and then a second body with a slightly
lower temperature is moved into proximity.
A widely noted 2013 study that compared the historical record of
temperatures and CO2 levels since1860 found an
Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity (ECS, now the preferred term) at the
lower end of the range, ruling out 3 °C sensitivity.
If the
temperature of the object is to
low to allow
equilibrium then the body will heat up until it reaches a
temperature that satisfies this equality.
Lets say the warmer surface was in thermodynamic
equilibrium with its surroundings if then a colder object is brought near and it has a
lower temperature than the surroundings then the colder object will increase the heat loss from the warmer object.