This isn't about tolerance, but about responding to statements
made by believers.
Bob... I think I am as unconvinced as you are about the veracity of claims that are
made by some believers as to what God is doing or about to do in their lives, but I've come to think that religion or the search for meaning is much larger than any particular expression of any one tradition.
This happens through the contemplation and study
made by believers, who treasure these things in their hearts» and also through the «intimate understanding of spiritual things they experience» (Dei Verbum 8).
Condescension, dismissal and mean - spiritedness offers no constructive support to coexistence whether
made by believers or nonbelievers.
Also, I have never, implicitly or explicitly, claimed to be a god — that would be totally inconsistent with believing there are no gods, and a straw man claim
made by believers when they can not prove their own delusions.
Not exact matches
I know that may seem counter-intuitive to the purpose of this post, and to the solid point
made by AJ Kohn, but I'm a firm
believer in focusing on your audience.
Tony Dgee I think that the finding here is that non-
believers have a higher motivation because they realize that they have to
make it in the world
by themselves, whereas
believers are like the dependant adult children we unfortunately have in society.
In God is Not Great, Hitchens wrote: «Name one ethical statement
made, or one ethical action performed,
by a
believer that could not have been uttered or done
by a nonbeliever.
You are correct, but John will be in denial, just like all the
believers of all religions
made up
by mankind.
Because the
believers try to force their beliefs onto others
by making them law.
This testimony about Jesus as only a son of David (2 Samuel 7:12 - 14 NIV) who was punished
by God with the floggings of men for claiming to be god thus becoming the «bright morning star» (Isa.14: 9 - 20) was revealed through the Bible
by Maestro Evangelista in http://www.thename.ph which proves he is the «angel» or messenger sent
by Jesus to deliver his testimony or HIS ADMISSION that he is not a son of God and as the «bright morning star «to all churches (or
believers of Jesus) thus nullifying the «antichrist» lie
made by the apostle John.
What happened to you could have been done
by a
believer or non
believer, belief in a deity does not automatically
make one amoral.
Believers who read these stories aren't going to be swayed
by such things any more than you will
by the quoting of Scripture (since you've already said that you believe it to be a book of
made up stories).
Regardless of your beliefs and views, is it not tasteless for CNN to run this as their lead story on Easter morning??? Americans are appalled
by anything done to insult Islam
believers, so why is this felt to be appropriate??? There is nothing wrong with the article, but its timing
makes it a poor and inflammatory choice of journalism, and would be taken as «persecution» if was directed toward any other belief system.
«Non-
believers» can sometimes be angry when fervent
believers believe so very fervently that they insist everybody ELSE believe as fervently as THEY do, and then they want our government to enforce that fervent belief
by making our kids pray in schools to your concept of a god.
Religion doesn't
make people do horible things, as evidenced
by the fact that most
believers don't do horrible things.
But if memoria is the essential retrospective faculty for the
believer seeking to
make a coherent Christian life, it will only be exercised
by those who think such retrospection potentially valuable — that is, for those who are hopeful.
For a Christian, many of those rules were
made obsolete
by the completion of them
by Jesus and the replacement of them
by the new principle of grace and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who directs and empowers
believers.
Since the story as seems to be bigger than just «Osama being used and abused» but it was always every crime
made by inelegance or the crime world was tagged to him being behind it... even those who wanted to collect the insurance of their buildings the blew them up and tagged it to the late, even those who enjoyed the fluctuations of shares prices have
made their moves to effect the same and tagging it to the late... It is not that i know but rather being every thing is possible to fabricate... What ever the case might be or
made done, we say;
Believers: The Ultimate Victors [2:216] Fighting may be imposed on you, even though you dislike it.
Naming / defining is an exercise of power over others, so perhaps naming other persons
made in the Divine image, with the potential to become godlike,
by labeling them «
believers» or «unbelievers» is a failure to see all people as God sees them, children of the one true God.
Even if a
believer does harbour doubt, the scorn, shunning and shame that is meted out
by their fellow religionists can
make life extremely unpleasant and difficult.
Susie,
by you saying that we should all be struck
by lightning doesn't
make you look better than any of us,
believers or non
believers.
Throughout most of church history, the term «mission» meant what
believers were «sent out» to do — to propagate Christianity
by making converts and establishing churches.
All I see are a lot of
believers making a lot of claims — often contradictory — unsupported
by any evidence about God and his teachings.
His more general understanding of Christian ~ experience has been colored
by this personal frustration, with the result that he has reduced the Christian life to the mere memory of a past event (he labels this «Israel») which seeks to
make its
believers hard, tight, and controlled.
... Those of you who are non-
believers challenge
believers...
by your rejection of any distortion of religion which would
make it unworthy of man.
The letters of Paul — which were the first NT writings — would generally «
make the rounds» among these groups of
believers, being read aloud to the group
by whoever's home they were in (the genesis of «home churches»).
And if many establishmentarian religionists were dragged screaming
by the Enlightenment and practical necessity to grant religious freedom, some very firm
believers, from colonial Baptists to Jesuit John Courtney Murray in the Second Vatican Council, also kept
making the case for conviction blended with civility, commitment tempered with empathy.
It is also
believers who may use the Bible as an excuse to
make others lives worse
by hypocritically picking on gays or pro-choice advocates.
IMO it's the
believers by and large who
make the distinction of who is good and who isn't based on who is a
believer and who isn't.
Jeremy thanks for your comments alot of this i never really thought about before until you provoked me to seek the truth in the word it is what we all should be doing finding the truth for ourselves God wants to reveal mysterys if we are open to hear.If we have been christians awhile we just take the word of whoevers preaching or whichever clip we see on god tube its knowledge but not revelation.Because the story sounds plausible we tag that on to our belief for example for many years i believed that the rich young rulers problem was money so the way to deal with that problem is to give it away and be a follower of Jesus sounds plausible.Till you realise every
believers situation is different so the message has to be universal.So the reason its not about money because it excludes those that do nt have it and does nt
make room for those that do have it but do nt worship it.The rich young ruler was not a bad person he lived
by a good moral code but he
made money his idol he put that before God.The word says we shall not have any idols thats a sin and a wicked one.In fact there wasnt any room in his heart for Jesus that is a tragedy.So when we see the message is about Idolatry we all have areas that we chose not to submit to God thats universal everyone of us whether we are rich or poor.I believe we are unaware that we have these idols what are some of them that was revealed to me our partners our children our work our church our family i can sense some of you are getting fidgetty.
Believers think that
by pointing out that atheists have FAITH that god doesn't exist that it
makes that idea moot because they have faith.
i do believe in what Christ taught and just because I do not follow it all the time does not
make me a non
believer, it
makes me a sinner saved
by grace and a imperfect human being, that is why we all have to die, because we are all born in sin and shaped in iniquity.
It's only the selfish ones who are
making trouble
by trying to prevent
believers from their traditions.
The Mormon's have
made promises in the past and failed to ensure compliance
by over-enthusiastic
believers.
Even the Christian bible and nativity scene are
made by mostly non
believers.
Tragic natural disasters, the consequences of human preditory selfishness and injustice will be experienced
by both
believers and unbelievers; but whether those experiences
make us bitter and cynical or empathetic and compassionate will depend a lot on whether the inevitable suffering that comes to all will depend a lot on whether we believe our flawed existence to be essentially good, though disordered or essentially evil in spite of its few «good» moments.
However, an alternative concept of Purgatory had also been influential from early on, and was especially promoted
by the Church father Origen in the third century: Purgatory as a form of purification to
make believers fit for heaven.
-- contained the seeds of its destruction in the very phrasing: Only
by presupposing a community of language
believers, Wittgenstein argued, could this question about radical oneness
make sense.»
CNN's «belief» blog is a series of articles that either bash religion or highlight the extreme fundamentalists in an attempt to
make all
believers guilty
by association.
While Paul's thought is
by no means always clear, and perhaps from letter to letter not always exactly the same, it is nevertheless certain that his concept of resurrection can be clearly distinguished from that of the traditional «bodily resurrection».27 Paul does not speak in terms of the «same body» but rather in terms of a new body, whether it be a «spiritual body», 28 «the likeness of the heavenly man», 29 «a house not
made by human hands, eternal and in heaven», 30 or, a «new body put on» over the old.31 In using various figures of speech to distinguish between the present body of flesh and blood and the future resurrection body, he seems to be thinking of both bodies as the externals which clothe the spirit and without which we should «find ourselves naked».32 But he freely confesses that the «earthly frame that houses us today ’33 may, like the seed, and man of dust, be destroyed, but the «heavenly habitation», which the
believer longs to put on, is already waiting in the heavenly realm, for it is eternal
by nature.
Some of us, who are
believers, are very clear that we have been delivered
by our Heavenly Father from the power of darkness, translated into the kingdom of His dear Son, and
made known to us the riches of the glory of the mystery — which is Christ in you, the hope of glory (Colossians 1:13, 27).
Many claims have been
made by millions of
believers from all over the world, was it Quetzalcoatl?
«Although various principles are taught in the several Gospel - books, this
makes no difference to the faith of
believers, since
by one governing Spirit in them all, the facts are declared concerning the Nativity, the Passion, the Resurrection, His converse with the disciples, and His two advents, the first which was in humility of aspect, according to the power of His royal Father, and the glorious one which is yet to come.»
that is the word... if we all took on the importance of our own relationship with God and actually did something about it
by steping outside of the little boxes that we
make or the walls that have been built up between us, we could all take off the plastic masks and realize that most of the important work for a Christian is what secretly goes on in the relationship between the
believer and God... a lot of the pretence and lies would not be able to survive the truth that would be sweeping through the minds and hearts of
believers.
By 1980, however, the somewhat chastened magazine acknowledged he was not: «God is
making a comeback Most intriguingly, this is happening not among theologians or ordinary
believers — most of whom never accepted for a moment that he was in any serious trouble — but in the crisp, intellectual circles of academic philosophers, where the consensus had long banished the Almighty from fruitful discourse.»
Jeremy i am surprised you never countered my argument Up till now the above view has been my understanding however things change when the holy spirit speaks.He amazes me because its always new never old and it reveals why we often misunderstand scripture in the case of the woman caught in adultery.We see how she was condemned to die and
by the grace of God Jesus came to her rescue that seems familar to all of us then when they were alone he said to her Go and sin no more.This is the point we misunderstand prior to there meeting it was all about her death when she encountered Jesus something incredible happened he turned a death situation into life situation so from our background as sinners we still in our thinking and understanding dwell in the darkness our minds are closed to the truth.In effect what Jesus was saying to her and us is chose life and do nt look back that is what he meant and that is the walk we need to live for him.That to me was a revelation it was always there but hidden.Does it change that we need discipline in the church that we need rules and guidelines for our actions no we still need those things.But does it change how we view non
believers and even ourselves definitely its not about sin but its all about choosing life and living.He also revealed some other interesting things on salvation so i might mention those on the once saved always saved discussion.Jeremy just want to say i really appreciate your website because i have not really discussed issues like this and it really is
making me press in to the Lord for answers to some of those really difficult questions.regards brentnz
Hopefully the message might
make a
believer take a hard look at their ridiculous beliefs, like magic gardens with magic apples that are guarded
by talking snakes, lol.
Paul envisions the life of
believers, individually and corporately, as a grace - full «war» against an age marked
by darkness — exploitation, subjugation, enslavement — a struggle in which the «Christ weapons» are
made of light: zealous love of strangers and enemies, wily grace, inventive nonretaliation.
Baptismal language is used to describe
believers as persons
made new
by God through Christ,
by «washing of water with the word.»