This type of thought experiment only tends to cement a FALSE idea of what is actually happening with the result of an increased
magnitude of warming more easily accepted.
Not exact matches
Inertia toward continued emissions creates potential 21st - century global
warming that is comparable in
magnitude to that
of the largest global changes in the past 65 million years but is orders
of magnitude more rapid.
«We're now facing the potential for a
warming of 2ºC or
more in less than two centuries,» said Dr Dunkley Jones, «this is
more than an order
of magnitude faster than
warming at the start
of the PETM.
«With a
warming climate, rising carbon dioxide levels, dams on
more rivers than not, and overloading
of nutrients into our waterways, the
magnitude and duration
of toxic cyanobacterial blooms is only going to get worse.»
These results demonstrate the
magnitude of trade - offs likely to be experienced by this species as they acclimatize to
warmer conditions by changing to
more thermally tolerant clade D zooxanthellae.
Current data are not accurate enough to identify whether
warming started earlier in the Southern Hemisphere (SH) or Northern Hemisphere (NH), but a major deglacial feature is the difference between North and South in terms
of the
magnitude and timing
of strong reversals in the
warming trend, which are not in phase between the hemispheres and are
more pronounced in the NH (Blunier and Brook, 2001).
Evidence for regional warmth during medieval times can be found in a diverse but
more limited set
of records including ice cores, tree rings, marine sediments, and historical sources from Europe and Asia, but the exact timing and duration
of warm periods may have varied from region to region, and the
magnitude and geographic extent
of the warmth are uncertain.
Such an extremely
warm winter in Earth's northern extremity is still a rare event but climate change has «made the event
more likely by orders
of magnitude», the authors tell Carbon Brief.
You would have to have a 30 year period (or even
more) where the
magnitude of localized
warming and cooling were shown to summate equally where no net
warming occured whatsoever, but that is not what is shown.
If, for example, we were to create a piece-wise continuous trend keeping your own trend, we'd find the 0.17 C decadal
warming trend from your starting point preceded by an estimated
warming of equal
magnitude in the combined 125 prior years (beginning at a time where only 1/4
of the present day coverage existed, thus placing the entire 125 year
warming more or less within the margin
of statistical insignificance).
Evidence for regional warmth during medieval times can be found in a diverse but
more limited set
of records including ice cores, tree rings, marine sediments, and historical sources from Europe and Asia, but the exact timing and duration
of warm periods may have varied from region to region, and the
magnitude and geographic extent
of the warmth are uncertain.
For instance, what is the usual response
of a CAGW movement supporter to learning that, under their own climate sensitivity assumptions, other forms
of geoengineering than CO2 cutbacks could neutralize the predicted
warming for < = ~ 1 % the cost and with lesser biological side - effects (such as stratospheric dispersion
of micron - scale reflective dust staying suspended for months at appropriate altitude, in radiative forcing neutralizing orders
of magnitude more than its own mass in CO2)?
Now we can see where Headline C came from: global
warming made the expected frequency 23 times larger (because 8,547 / 379 = 23) so we expect to see a heat wave
of this
magnitude (or
warmer) 23 times
more often because
of global
warming.
But the question remains whether or not it will in practice be less costly than some
of the other less exotic specific actionable proposals made to date (i.e. at a cost
of less than around $ 16 trillion for 0.5 degC
warming theoretically averted by year 2100) or
more costly by at least one order
of magnitude.
I'll be extremely surprised if you can come up with any
warming mechanism that is not at least one or two orders
of magnitude more badly correlated with climate than CO2 forcing is.
There is no mechanism proposed by which internal natural variability can lead to any
warming that does not average out over decades, and even then its
magnitude can't be
more than tenths
of a degree.
If, as he says, «Adding
more (CO2) «should» cause
warming, with the
magnitude of that
warming being the real question...» then the minuscule amount
of CO2 / methane created by paleo societies in their forest - burning agriculture 5,000 years ago had some part in creating the anthropocene.
Adding
more «should» cause
warming, with the
magnitude of that
warming being the real question.
«Seen in this light, the
magnitude of the direct influence
of a
warm Arctic on mid-latitude extremes becomes
more problematic.»
Hurricanes Harvey, Irma, and Maria are apt examples: Scientists can agree that
more events
of this
magnitude can be expected in a
warming climate.
If global temperatures rise 2 degrees Celsius, they write in a study summarizing their findings published in the journal Climatic Change last September, «Results indicate that floods will be
more frequent and flood
magnitudes greater» than they would be at just 1.5 degrees Celsius
of warming.
Responding to and in the manner
of KK Tung's UPDATE (and, you can quote me): globally speaking the slowing
of the rapidity
of the
warming, were it absent an enhanced hiatus compared to prior hiatuses, must at the least be interpreted as nothing
more than a slowdown
of the positive trend
of uninterrupted global
warming coming out
of the Little Ice Age that has been «juiced» by AGW as evidenced by rapid
warming during the last three decades
of the 20th Century, irrespective
of the fact that, «the modern Grand maximum (which occurred during solar cycles 19 — 23, i.e., 1950 - 2009),» according to Ilya Usoskin, «was a rare or even unique event, in both
magnitude and duration, in the past three millennia [that's, 3,000 years].»
(Fwiw, I define myself as
more of a «lukewarmer» since I see reasons to be concerned about
warming and climate issues, but I think the imminence and
magnitude of any civilizational»em ergency» are being exaggerated in many quarters — I'm
more of a «policy skeptic» about the steps being proposed, if you care).
In 1992, we had just completed the first IPCC assessment report, here was their conclusion: «The size
of this
warming is broadly consistent with predictions
of climate models, but it is also
of the same
magnitude as natural climate variability... The unequivocal detection
of the enhanced greenhouse effect from observations is not likely for a decade or
more.
«The
warming leads to a simulated long - term reduction in soil moisture which, although
of weak
magnitude compared to soil moisture deficits induced by naturally occurring droughts in the southwest United States, would imply that drought conditions may be entered
more quickly and alleviated
more slowly owing to long - term
warming... Radiative forcing
of the climate system is another source
of predictability, although not really a welcome one, and rising greenhouse gases will lead to a steady drying
of southwest North America.
It is far
more important to deploy order
of magnitude more accurate instrumentation than waste money on meaningless global
warming models whose 35 year predictions are 300 % too hot.
More ominously, global
warming of that
magnitude would make most
of the planet uninhabitable by humans [132,133].
More elaborate and accurate approaches, including use
of models, will surely be devised, but comparison
of our result with other approaches is instructive regarding basic issues such as the vulnerability
of today's ice sheets to near - term global
warming and the
magnitude of hysteresis effects in ice sheet growth and decay.
Also a brand new study
of storm surges since 1923 finds «that Katrina -
magnitude events have been twice as frequent in
warm years compared with cold years» — so
more severe surges are on the way.
Even just acknowledging
more openly the incredible
magnitude of the deep structural uncertainties that are involved in climate - change analysis — and explaining better to policymakers that the artificial crispness conveyed by conventional IAM - based CBAs [Integrated Assessment Model — Cost Benefit Analyses] here is especially and unusually misleading compared with
more ordinary non-climate-change CBA situations — might go a long way toward elevating the level
of public discourse concerning what to do about global
warming.
That panel's first assessment report in 1990 concluded that «the size
of the
warming over the last century is...
of the same
magnitude as natural climate variability» and that «the unequivocal detection
of the enhanced greenhouse effect from observations is not likely for a decade or
more.»
The models heavily relied upon by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) had not projected this multidecadal stasis in «global
warming»; nor (until trained ex post facto) the fall in TS from 1940 - 1975; nor 50 years» cooling in Antarctica (Doran et al., 2002) and the Arctic (Soon, 2005); nor the absence
of ocean
warming since 2003 (Lyman et al., 2006; Gouretski & Koltermann, 2007); nor the onset, duration, or intensity
of the Madden - Julian intraseasonal oscillation, the Quasi-Biennial Oscillation in the tropical stratosphere, El Nino / La Nina oscillations, the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation, or the Pacific Decadal Oscillation that has recently transited from its
warming to its cooling phase (oceanic oscillations which, on their own, may account for all
of the observed
warmings and coolings over the past half - century: Tsoniset al., 2007); nor the
magnitude nor duration
of multi-century events such as the Mediaeval
Warm Period or the Little Ice Age; nor the cessation since 2000
of the previously - observed growth in atmospheric methane concentration (IPCC, 2007); nor the active 2004 hurricane season; nor the inactive subsequent seasons; nor the UK flooding
of 2007 (the Met Office had forecast a summer
of prolonged droughts only six weeks previously); nor the solar Grand Maximum
of the past 70 years, during which the Sun was
more active, for longer, than at almost any similar period in the past 11,400 years (Hathaway, 2004; Solankiet al., 2005); nor the consequent surface «global
warming» on Mars, Jupiter, Neptune's largest moon, and even distant Pluto; nor the eerily - continuing 2006 solar minimum; nor the consequent, precipitate decline
of ~ 0.8 °C in TS from January 2007 to May 2008 that has canceled out almost all
of the observed
warming of the 20th century.
The increase
of these extreme anomalies, by
more than an order
of magnitude, implies that we can say with a high degree
of confidence that events such as the extreme summer heat in the Moscow region in 2010 and Texas in 2011 were a consequence
of global
warming.
What's so funny: — You and many others misrepresent SM's statements — pro-AGW workers cooperate with biased PR firms and think tanks (cf «
Warm Words» and much
more)-- The same oil companies heavily fund pro-AGW research — University research money supports pro-AGW work — pro-AGW PR / agit groups misrepresent and lie about the facts — Biased reporters cooperate in all this --(And the pro-AGW side involves 10 - 100x
more resources, order
of magnitude guesstimate.)
But if global -
warming predictions bear out — with
more prolonged droughts,
more severe storms,
more flooding — then figures
of this
magnitude will become standard.
But this feedback fo global
warming appears to cost several orders
of magnitude more to deal with.
They indicate that the rate
of warming in the early 21st century is affected little by different emissions scenarios (brown bars in Figure 2.8), but by mid-century the choice
of emissions scenario becomes
more important for the
magnitude of warming (blue bars).
Personally, I consider that an explanation along these lines is a
more plausible explanation (by many orders
of magnitude) over that
of CO2 being responsible for the
warming.