48:40 — Reasons Jason believes some investors are better off with active
managers over index funds, and some of the ones he specifically admires.
Not exact matches
Buffett, a billionaire investor and outspoken critic of
fund managers who profit from high fees at the expense of their clients, bet in 2007 that a Vanguard S&P 500
index fund would beat five
funds of hedge
funds selected by Protégé Partners
over the next 10 years.
The HFRI
Fund Weighted Composite
Index is a global, equal - weighted index of over 2,000 single - manager funds that report to the HFR (Hedge Fund Research) data
Index is a global, equal - weighted
index of over 2,000 single - manager funds that report to the HFR (Hedge Fund Research) data
index of
over 2,000 single -
manager funds that report to the HFR (Hedge
Fund Research) database.
His conviction in
index funds for the general investor is so strong that he made a bet with several hedge
fund managers in 2008 that 5
funds of their choosing would underperform the overall market
over 10 years.
Global Hedge
Funds: The HFRI Fund Weighted Composite Index is a global, equal - weighted index of over 2,000 single - manager funds that report to HFR Data
Funds: The HFRI
Fund Weighted Composite
Index is a global, equal - weighted index of over 2,000 single - manager funds that report to HFR Data
Index is a global, equal - weighted
index of over 2,000 single - manager funds that report to HFR Data
index of
over 2,000 single -
manager funds that report to HFR Data
funds that report to HFR Database.
Almost all
fund managers can point to the years they outperformed
index funds, but almost no
manager can point to outperforming their comparable
index fund every year, and few can point to outperforming that
index fund over 10 - and 20 - year periods.
Over the past four years, Icahn's investment
funds have outperformed the S&P 500
Index, averaging returns of more than 25 % a year, a feat few hedge
fund managers can claim.
The argument comes from veteran value investor David Winters, portfolio
manager of Wintergreen
Fund, who in his latest letter to shareholders says that the typical S&P 500 index fund incurred expenses of over 4.3 % in 2
Fund, who in his latest letter to shareholders says that the typical S&P 500
index fund incurred expenses of over 4.3 % in 2
fund incurred expenses of
over 4.3 % in 2016.
It turns out that it's very hard for active
fund managers and stock brokers to outperform
index funds over time, so why pay for them?
Over the past few years, stock
fund managers have struggled mightily to beat their
indexes consistently, but you'd never know it by looking at the track record of Fidelity's William Danoff.
By buying these
funds, especially since you hope to hold for decades, you are placing bets that these
managers maintain their edge
over an equivalent
index.
HFRI
Fund Weighted Composite
Index: The HFRI Fund Weighted Composite Index is a global, equal - weighted index of over 2,000 single - manager funds that report to HFR Data
Index: The HFRI
Fund Weighted Composite
Index is a global, equal - weighted index of over 2,000 single - manager funds that report to HFR Data
Index is a global, equal - weighted
index of over 2,000 single - manager funds that report to HFR Data
index of
over 2,000 single -
manager funds that report to HFR Database.
Say, for example, a Canadian equity
fund beats the S&P / TSX Composite
Index over some period, and the
manager takes credit for her superior stock - picking skills.
I agree,
over time, the pros (the
fund managers) do not beat the averages, i.e. the
index one can buy.
This is extremely easy to do: after all, well
over 1 % of professional
fund managers in Canada did it during the last five years, and many of these trounced the
index by several hundredths of a percent.
The
fund is very concentrated and differentiated; the Active
Index (or OAI) is 23; in general when we see scores
over 18, we read it as evidence of a truly active
manager).
There are libraries full of scholarly studies that conclude that active
fund managers underperform their benchmark
indexes over time, even before taxes are accounted for.
Thus, it should come as no surprise that well
over half of all active
fund managers have been outperformed by the
index over different time periods:
The median active equity
fund manager underperformed the
index by about 1.21 % a year between 2006 and 2015 and by far larger amounts
over one - year -LRB--2.92 %), three year -LRB--2.78 %) and five year -LRB--2.90 %).
Given the lousy performance of active
managers over the past decade, it's easy to see why investors continue to flock to
index funds.
They are dumping 3
fund managers that have all beaten the
index by wide margins
over long periods of time because they have a «tracking error»?
The latest SPIVA Scorecard from S&P Dow Jones
Indices shows that more than 70 % of U.S. stock
fund managers underperformed their benchmark
index over the past five years.
Index funds offer you probably the ideal hedge against varying performance across sectors and across
fund managers over longer - periods of time.
It seems as though it's common for active
fund managers to describe their performance in a way that favors their active strategies
over an
index fund investing approach.
Over the past five years, S&P Global calculates that just 16 % of mutual
fund managers who attempted to beat the Standard & Poor's 500 - stock
index actually succeeded.
Selecting 3 or 4 stock and bond
index mutual
funds is enough to outperform most active
managers and robos
over the long term, and you will save more money with reduced
fund expenses, lower turnover, and no ETF - related costs.
Those who invest in active
funds may expect portfolio
managers to deliver excess returns
over their benchmark
indices for the fee they paid.
The now $ 537 million
fund has returned an average of 10.9 % a year
over [the current
manager's] tenure, better than the 8.7 % for the Russell 2000 Growth
index.
In fact, it is estimated that the average
fund manager (let's say we are lucky enough to find the average) has under - performed the
index over this period by around 2 %.
I totally get why some in the financial media hate writing about
index funds: they're easy to explain, there's no amazing
fund manager behind them, and the story generally stays the same
over time.
Over the long haul, a higher percentage of
fund managers underperform an
index than stocks underperform an
index.
Unfortunately, most mutual
fund managers have not proven to outperform the ETF
indexes such as the SPX, RUT, QQQ, DIA, etc.
over this same period.
Over a ten year period, you're looking at a drag of about 30 %, i.e. a
fund manager would have to outperform the
indices by about 30 % in order to MATCH it.
Similarly, a fellow panelist at the S&P Dow Jones
Indices forum acknowledged one advantage
index - based ETFs have
over active mutual
funds is explicit parameters that are not subject to a
manager's view of the world.
The HFRI
Fund Weighted Composite
Index (Representing Alternatives): is a global, equal - weighted index of over 2,000 single - manager funds that report to HFR Data
Index (Representing Alternatives): is a global, equal - weighted
index of over 2,000 single - manager funds that report to HFR Data
index of
over 2,000 single -
manager funds that report to HFR Database.
If you look at this graph from a Canadian
Fund Manager: http://www3.telus.net/NFtoBC/Images/Example.bmp you can see a number of years where the index out performed the fund, however, over a decade, the managed fund had a return nearly double of the in
Fund Manager: http://www3.telus.net/NFtoBC/Images/Example.bmp you can see a number of years where the
index out performed the
fund, however, over a decade, the managed fund had a return nearly double of the in
fund, however,
over a decade, the managed
fund had a return nearly double of the in
fund had a return nearly double of the
index.
The logic behind an
index fund's approach is simple, mathematically indisputable, and bolstered by decades of real - world experience: Minimize your investment expenses and earn the market return, which will outpace most active
managers over the long term.
Managers of such
funds generally don't get paid to outperform the
index after taxes and fees
over 10 years (they're lucky to last 3 and most investors don't notice how large the taxes + fees bite is), and so they don't focus their efforts on this mission that would be in the best interest of their investors.
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Well
over 90 % of exchange - traded
funds, popularly known as ETFs are based on passive market
indexes, but there are a few active
managers who have decided to use the ETF structure for actively managed portfolios.
So not only did Graham subscribe to the idea that an
index fund's market return should be viewed as acceptable for the average investor, but that in order to earn their standard fees, active
managers have a duty to match or improve on the market return
over relatively long (at least by today's standards) investment horizons.
Despite charging higher fees, most active
fund managers rarely beat the
index, particularly
over the long term.
Irwin Michael, portfolio
manager of ABC
Funds, is a value investor who has easily outperformed the TSX
index over 5, 10 and 15 year periods.
We've spent plenty of time explaining why investing in passive, low - cost
index funds will out - earn actively managed
funds in the long - run, and that most
fund managers can't even outperform the
indexes they're trying to beat
over time.
The SPIVA scorecard published in mid-2017 indicated that the following percentages of stock
fund managers under performed the most relevant
indices over the last 5 years:
Almost all
fund managers can point to the years they outperformed
index funds, but almost no
manager can point to outperforming their comparable
index fund every year, and few can point to outperforming that
index fund over 10 - and 20 - year periods.
Based on median actively managed large - cap
funds, with
manager tenure of greater than 10 years (longest - tenured portfolio
manager), annualized three - year rolling returns (with a quarterly frequency)
over the 20 - year period ending December 31, 2017 against the S&P 500
Index returns.
So
index hugging is promoted in the
fund business and that's why only 1 out of 200
managers beat the S&P by 3 % or more
over an extended period of time (according to Vogel's research).
And investors have a good reason for doing so; approximately 95 per cent of traditional active mutual
fund managers underperform their broad market
index over a five - year period.
Buffett bet a million of his own dollars, which I assume he forgot to take out of some pants before he washed them or found in between some couch cushions or something, that
over a 10 year period a Vanguard
index fund would outperform hedge
fund managers, and 8 years in he's totally killing it.