Also, in preparation for our simulations, we made
model hindcasts for a range of climate sensitivities and forced by the estimated total radiative forcing anomaly for the period AD 1765 — 2012 (Fig.
Of course you should have posted
the models hindcasts for the whole of the 20th century and then you would see the excellent short to medium term correlation between model output ant global temperature record.
The retrospective investigation consists of
a model hindcast for more than a half century using «reality - based» atmospheric forcing to drive the model.
Not exact matches
«In our study we used satellite data
for sea ice and sea surface temperatures to run some coordinated
hindcast experiments with five different atmospheric
models,» Ogawa says.
No - one is claiming that «prediction» of the cooling counts as a major success
for the
models, since it was
hindcast, not predicted.
An NAO - based linear
model is therefore established to predict the NHT, which gives an excellent
hindcast for NHT in 1971 - 2011 with the recent flat trend well predicted.
For graph 1, I used all the
models with no picking to see which ones did better in the
hindcast.
We calculate
hindcasts from 1950 - using the selected
model for each series, including historical oscillation indices and available winter SST data.
The resulting
model is pretty much used «as is» in
hindcast experiments
for the 20th Century.
in AR4 section 10 I believe there is a chart showing which
models use which particular forcings
for the 20CEN
hindcast.
As we write in the paper: «These two
models were designed to describe only the short - term response, but are in good agreement with reconstructed sea level
for the past 700 y.» The former means we never used them to compute long - range
hindcasts — they are merely shown here
for comparison purposes, so that readers can see what difference the additional term in Eq.
Decadal
hindcast simulations of Arctic Ocean sea ice thickness made by a modern dynamic - thermodynamic sea ice
model and forced independently by both the ERA - 40 and NCEP / NCAR reanalysis data sets are compared
for the first time.
For reference, where is the GISS
model hindcast from 1950 onwards you're comparing this with?
This can involve «perfect
model» experiments (where you test to see whether you can predict the evolution of a
model simulation given only what we know about the real world), or
hindcasts (as used by K08), and only where there is demonstrated skill is there any point in making a prediction
for the real world.
This is typically what the
models predict /
hindcast (GISS
Model E): There is no temperature hump in the mid 20th century — so that, like the MWP, is a problem
for the modelers.
In a cross-validation
hindcast, the
model (PHENOM) is able to explain 63 % of the variance in onset date
for grid cells containing at least 50 % mixed and boreal forest.
«The use of a coupled ocean — atmosphere — sea ice
model to
hindcast (i.e., historical forecast) recent climate variability is described and illustrated
for the cases of the 1976/77 and 1998/99 climate shift events in the Pacific.
If the
model is as good at forecasting as
hindcasting, then the populations of (
model -
hindcast) and (
model - forecast),
for the same time period around day zero should be the same.
«
model performance has been adequate
for predicted temperature trends (Hansen et al 1984) as well as
hindcasts»
Here,
model performance has been adequate
for predicted temperature trends (Hansen et al 1984) as well as
hindcasts.
As
for tone, I stand by my assertion that the general claim that
models are validated by matching a test vector of 2 - 3 degrees of freedom in
hindcast is scientifically an absolute joke.
The lack of any actual survey, let alone comparison of Callendar's
model out of sample with
hindcasts of more recent GCMs, as Steve has done, means we owe Nick our gratitude
for highlighting the inadequacies of AR4 WG1 in this area.
Finally, I reiterate my request
for you and Jason to present papers that document a skill of the multi-decadal (Type 4) regional climate
models to predict (in
hindcast) the observed CHANGES in climate statistics over this time period.
If the
models show a lack of skill and need tuning with respect to predicting (in
hindcast) even the current climate statistics on multi-decadal time scales (much less than CHANGES in climate statistics), they are not ready to be used as robust projection tools
for the coming decades.
The burden, of course, is
for authors that present
hindcast multi-decadal climate projections, to provide quantitative documentation of the ability of their
model to predict changes in the climate metrics that are requested by the impact and policy communities.
for longer term decadal
hindcasts a linear trend correction may be required if the
model does not reproduce long - term trends.
doi: 10.1007 / s00382 -012-1313-4 who report quite limited predictive skill in two regions of the oceans on the decadal time period, but no regional skill elsewhere, when they conclude that «A 4 -
model 12 - member ensemble of 10 - yr
hindcasts has been analysed
for skill in SST, 2m temperature and precipitation.
I think Roger's main point is that a first condition
for making plausible projections is that the
models have skill in
hindcast.
The assumed aerosol forcing is also unique
for each
model and «fudges» each
model to
hindcast global temperature during the past century.
Particularly valuable is perhaps research related to difficulties in avoiding confirmatory bias in testing
models through
hindcasting, when the
model builders have some, perhaps only qualitative, knowledge on the data to be used
for testing already when they develop the
model.
Another, more interesting, reason is that it can help invalidate
models (or give them at best some limited validity) by letting them run
for hindcast of the actual situation.
The final draft figure 1.4's blue envelop
for the 2001 TAR's projections range is a stretch to logic since it's already + - 0,2 °C wide at the date of its publication in 2001 (instead of beeing the real temperature) meaning climate
models are not even capable of
hindcasting event most recent years.
About my
model, in the paper the
model has been carefully tested in its
hindcasting capabilities
for centuries and millennia.
The
models fail to
hindcast, and the predictions are just as good as an Ouija board, and
for this they waste paper and Internet bandwidth?
These are the same
models thet are clever at
hindcasting the seasonal OLR radiation
for the same years.
Some
models are clever at
hindcasting the TOA radiation
for the years 2001 to 2015.
Don't they give away the game when they use «ensembles» of
model runs to get the best fit
for hindcasting?
Figure 2: Number of Katrina magnitude surge events per decade (B)
hindcast and projected changes in temperatures from climate
model BNU - ESM under
for RCP4.5 (A).
Certainly, in Mosher's example of military planning, there are indeed cases where
hindcasting the
model would make no sense whatsoever, but we aren't talking military planning and strategy here, we are talking climate, and we have a pretty good idea of what the climate has been
for the past 150 years, and we know that it RELATES TO how the climate will be 150 years from now.
The sensitivity of the
models is, as I think you are saying, constrained by it's parametrizations, which are bounded by observational data on TOA radiation data etc. (although not all very tightly constrained) but this is not what is being questioned about the
models, rather the issue is whether the
model hindcasts matching historical temperatures to some degree is evidence that they have correct physics, or is merely a result of modelers making the choices
for inputs which will produce a reasonable result.
One might think that
modelling was the way out, with its inherent flexibility to keep torturing the data and algorithms in different ways with the biggest supercomputers available until they squeal out the desired result, with a QED
for both accurate prediction and
hindcasting.
This late - 1970s reversal in sea ice trends was not captured by the
hindcasts of the recent CMIP5 climate
models used
for the latest IPCC reports, which suggests that current climate
models are still quite poor at
modelling past sea ice trends.»
This
hindcast setting roughly follows the experimental design of the Coupled
Model Intercomparison Project - 5 (CMIP5)
for decadal climate prediction (Taylor et al. 2009; Murphy et al. 2010).
Right panels show the predictability horizon
for annual mean precipitation (above the dashed line), soil water averaged from the surface, and total water storage (below the dashed line), estimated from the 39 individual 10 member
hindcast experiments (red) and the 1st order Markov
model with 10,000 ensemble members (black circle)
for the b the northern, d southern, and f these difference indices.
Only when the trends
for human - induced heat - trapping gases, sulfur dioxide emissions, soot, ozone, and land use changes are also included do the
hindcast model results (Figure 3) and the recorded reality match up.
As a result of these processes, the predictability
for both the Markov
model and CESM
model hindcasts increases with depth attaining values of up to 5 — 8 years
for the northern US and 10 years
for the southern US / Mexico index regions.
So, inputting actual values of the cooling effect (such as the determination by Penner et al.) would make every climate
model provide a mismatch of the global warming it
hindcasts and the observed global warming
for the twentieth century.
It's me needing a better understanding of
hindcasting, but I see that as taking a
model that we point towards the future and use the results from the same
model by pointing it back in history (where we have observable evidence) and use the quality of
hindcasting results to support the presumed reliability
for the forward projections.
For a group that trumpets the high - tech climate
modeling effort used to guide energy policy —
models which have failed to forecast (or even
hindcast!)
For the stock market you could easily construct a
model through a few iterations that
hindcasts very well.