more on climate sensitivity here: http://www.ukweatherworld.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=25003&start=1
For
more on climate sensitivity, you can read this pdf.
Not exact matches
When the scientists compared the output of
climate models with a decade of satellite measurements of relative humidity, they found that the models that best reproduced observed conditions were built
on the premise that
climate sensitivity is relatively high — 7 degrees F or
more.
The group hopes other scientists will conduct similar experiments using different models to help hone in
on a
more reliable measure of
climate sensitivity.
Based
on past observations, Held, who was not involved with the study, said the
climate sensitivity of 5 °C or
more shown by the new research may be implausible.
«My view
on this is that the research needs to broaden out to have
more of a focus
on variability
more generally so that a) we can predict the next few years better b) we can refine our estimates of the
sensitivity of the
climate system to increases in greenhouse gas concentrations.»
The metric they have developed, the Vegetation
Sensitivity Index (VSI), allows a
more quantifiable response to
climate change challenges and how sensitive different ecosystems are to short - term
climate anomalies; e.g. a warmer June than
on average, a cold December, a cloudy September, etc..
Note that the last remark can go either way, as the solar signal can even be
more enhanced at the cost of the
sensitivity for the greenhouse signal... And from Hansen ea.: «Solar irradiance change has a strong spectral dependence [Lean, 2000], and resulting
climate changes may include indirect effects of induced ozone change [RFCR; Haigh, 1999; Shindell et al., 1999a] and conceivably even cosmic ray effects
on clouds [Dickinson, 1975].
Each and every scientist you've heard
on Radio Ecoshock this fall has brought out another feed - back, a greater
climate sensitivity,
more reasons why we have to cut carbon emission drastically, ideally starting 20 years ago.
They find a
climate feedback parameter of 2.3 ± 1.4 W m — 2 °C — 1, which corresponds to a 5 to 95 % ECS range of 1.0 °C to 4.1 °C if using a prior distribution that puts
more emphasis
on lower
sensitivities as discussed above, and a wider range if the prior distribution is reformulated so that it is uniform in
sensitivity (Table 9.3).
To get in the mood, there have many
climate sensitivity pieces on RC over the years, the most relevant are On Sensitivity: Part I and Part II, and more recently Climate response estimates from Lewis and Curry and a useful counterpoint from Drew Sh
climate sensitivity pieces on RC over the years, the most relevant are On Sensitivity: Part I and Part II, and more recently Climate response estimates from Lewis and Curry and a useful counterpoint from Dre
sensitivity pieces
on RC over the years, the most relevant are On Sensitivity: Part I and Part II, and more recently Climate response estimates from Lewis and Curry and a useful counterpoint from Drew Shindel
on RC over the years, the most relevant are
On Sensitivity: Part I and Part II, and more recently Climate response estimates from Lewis and Curry and a useful counterpoint from Drew Shindel
On Sensitivity: Part I and Part II, and more recently Climate response estimates from Lewis and Curry and a useful counterpoint from Dre
Sensitivity: Part I and Part II, and
more recently
Climate response estimates from Lewis and Curry and a useful counterpoint from Drew Sh
Climate response estimates from Lewis and Curry and a useful counterpoint from Drew Shindell.
Pinning a number
on how much global temperature rises in response to a doubling of carbon dioxide — known as the
climate sensitivity — is a big question in
climate science as it helps
more accurately predict how much warming we'll see in future.
You may not be able to «prove» such an honest estimate, but it is
more likely to be correct than a value based
on some estimate of short term
climate sensitivity.
collectively explore reasonable bounds
on estimates of
climate sensitivities (TCR, ECS), i.e., what we might call extreme
sensitivities in the sense that they are «
more than likely» not to be exceeded.
Now, forgetting entirely the
more complex issue of «
climate sensitivity» and focusing only
on how tiny, minute concentrations of CO2 can make a difference to global temps — one of the oft - repeated and simplistic denialist memes — is there a simple desktop experiment to demonstrate how that can work?
A few things are unequivocal, perhaps (doubling from the present concentration of CO2 will take 140 years [give or take]; the idea that the changes in
climate since 1880 have been in the aggregate beneficial; it takes
more energy to vaporize a kg of water than to raise its temperature by 1K; ignoring the energy cost of water and latent heat transport [in the hydrologic cycle] leads to equilibrium calculations overestimating the
climate sensitivity), but most are propositions that I think need
more research, but can't be refuted
on present evidence.
More on the lines of a total
climate sensitivity of 4.0 degrees.
Model results don't depend critically
on resolution — the
climate sensitivity of the models is not a function of this in any obvious way, and the patterns of warming seen in coarse resolution models from the 1980s are very similar to those from AR4 or the upcoming AR5 (~ 50 times
more horizontal grid points).
My experience is that most groups do not «precisely» tune their models to 20th Century trends or
climate sensitivity, but given this example and the Hourdin results,
more clarity
on exactly what is done (whether explicitly or implicitly) is needed.
On a
more serious note, the problem for journalists (if they know what they are doing) in reporting a range of results for
climate sensitivity is that the low end is ho - hum, but the higher end is
more interesting.
Rather than saying that Judith is wrong, it would be
more accurate to say that you disagree with Judith and for that matter Nic Lewis
on the scientific validity of AOGCM's for predicting
climate patterns or for that matter
climate sensitivity.
In # 78 Chris wrote:... «But with every year that the global temperature fails to break new ground (say +0.50
on the Hadley measure) the
more receptive I will be to arguments for lower - than - consensus
climate sensitivities».
Based
on many studies covering a wide range of regions and crops, negative impacts of
climate change
on crop yields have been
more common than positive impacts (high confidence)... Since AR4, several periods of rapid food and cereal price increases following
climate extremes in key producing regions indicate a
sensitivity of current markets to
climate extremes among other factors (medium confidence).
It is my understanding that the uncertainties regarding
climate sensitivity to a nominal 2XCO2 forcing is primarily a function of the uncertainties in (1) future atmospheric aerosol concentrations; both sulfate - type (cooling) and black carbon - type (warming), (2) feedbacks associated with aerosol effects
on the properties of clouds (e.g. will cloud droplets become
more reflective?)
As interesting as how the media latched
on to the 11 K
climate sensitivity in Stainforth et al. is their total lack of interest in a much
more robust (but equally frightening) result.
The differences among proxy reconstructions are still an obstacle when attempting to constrain
climate sensitivity more tightly solely
on the basis of LGM
climate.
This is enough to matter, but it's no
more scary than the uncertainty in cloud feedbacks for example, and whether they could put us
on the high end of typical
climate sensitivity estimates.
Interestingly, our results are actually pretty consistent with a lot of the recent literature
on sensitivity: All studies comparing simple models with recent
climate change (from Andronova and Schlesinger, 2001, onwards) find high
sensitivities (
more than 8K, say) are consistent (at the few - percent level) with the observed record unless they are ruled out a priori.
That is a
more complex matter as it will depend
on the elusive value of
climate sensitivity.
Given the last 30 years there is no reason to believe, from a policy perspective, that spending
more money
on climate change will lead to any
more certainty about
climate sensitivity.
In terms of advocacy, this is tricky; people in the fossil fuel sector will doubtless claim that lower
climate sensitivity means rapid reductions in fossil fuel use are not necessary, so they can go
on with their plans for
more gas and oil development without breaching the Paris Agreements, etc..
Now, forgetting entirely the
more complex issue of «
climate sensitivity» and focusing only
on how tiny, minute concentrations of CO2 can make a difference to global temps — one of the oft - repeated and simplistic denialist memes — is there a simple desktop experiment to demonstrate how that can work?
Given that our best bet of
climate sensitivity has remained the same (1.5 — 4.5 C) for over 30 years with all new information «pretty much cancelling out», at one point do we begin to focus this investment
more on mitigation or another approaches to
climate change in general?
Unfortunately, there are many factors that preclude an effective bound
on the risks — ranging from uncertainties in downscaling to
more fundamental issues such as the uncertainty of
climate sensitivity.
I agree with her that there is plenty to debate, both
on the science in tough areas like attribution and
climate sensitivity and
on what mix of incentives, investments, policies, communication efforts and other actions can build a
more durable human relationship with the
climate system.
«
Climate sensitivity» remains a subject of intense investigation, and what counts as hellish is a matter of judgment, but United Nations climate negotiators have settled on a goal to limit atmospheric carbon dioxide to 450 parts per million, which would cause the global mean temperature to peak no more than 3.6 °F above preindustrial
Climate sensitivity» remains a subject of intense investigation, and what counts as hellish is a matter of judgment, but United Nations
climate negotiators have settled on a goal to limit atmospheric carbon dioxide to 450 parts per million, which would cause the global mean temperature to peak no more than 3.6 °F above preindustrial
climate negotiators have settled
on a goal to limit atmospheric carbon dioxide to 450 parts per million, which would cause the global mean temperature to peak no
more than 3.6 °F above preindustrial levels.
More complex metrics have also been developed based
on multiple observables in present day
climate, and have been shown to have the potential to narrow the uncertainty in
climate sensitivity across a given model ensemble (Murphy et al., 2004; Piani et al., 2005).
Read
more «Constraints
on Climate Sensitivity From Space - Based Measurements of Low - Cloud Reflection»»
The author's points
on non-linearity and time delays are actually
more relevant to the discussion in other presentations when I talked about whether the
climate models that show high future
sensitivities to CO2 are consistent with past history, particularly if warming in the surface temperature record is exaggerated by urban biases.
Huybers (2010) went
on to say: «
More recently reported values of
climate sensitivity have not deviated substantially.
I have concentrated
on the Bayesian inference involved in such studies, since they seem to me in many cases to use inappropriate prior distributions that heavily fatten the upper tail of the estimated PDF for S. I may write a future post concerning that issue, but in this post I want to deal with
more basic statistical issues arising in what is, probably, the most important of the Bayesian studies whose PDFs for
climate sensitivity were featured in AR4.
On the question of hurricanes, the theoretical arguments that
more energy and water vapor in the atmosphere should lead to stronger storms are really sound (after all, storm intensity increases going from pole toward equator), but determining precisely how human influences (so including GHGs [greenhouse gases] and aerosols, and land cover change) should be changing hurricanes in a system where there are natural external (solar and volcanoes) and internal (e.g., ENSO, NAO [El Nino - Southern Oscillation, North Atlantic Oscillation]-RRB- influences is quite problematic — our
climate models are just not good enough yet to carry out the types of
sensitivity tests that have been done using limited area hurricane models run for relatively short times.
In order to calculate further, the ppm's of CO2 increase in the atmosphere is brought into the game and they simply invent the «
climate sensitivity» of 380 ppm of
more CO2 (doubling 2000) «is» equal to 3.7 W / sqm
on the Earth's surface.
It simply raises serious doubts concerning CAGW based
on high
climate sensitivity (as outlined by IPCC in its AR4 and,
more recently, AR5 reports).
Your comments demonstrate you haven't even the most basic understanding of either economics, electricity systems, electricity generation costing methods or energy
more generally, I'd suggest you spend some time trying to get some background to these issues before wasting
more time
on climate sensitivity.
The discussion of
climate sensitivity in the recently released Fifth Assessment Review of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) sheds more light on this parameter, which turns out not to be known with cer
climate sensitivity in the recently released Fifth Assessment Review of the Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Change (IPCC) sheds more light on this parameter, which turns out not to be known with cer
Climate Change (IPCC) sheds
more light
on this parameter, which turns out not to be known with certainty.
Chance that increased GHGs are expected to lead to warming
on the scale of the observed warming: this requires estimates of
climate sensitivity, ocean heat uptake, etc., but I would think that basic theory suggests that increased GHGs could be responsible for much
more than the observed warming.
If the recent papers
on climate sensitivity are correct, the KXL maximum theoretical contribution to global warming is even
more miniscule.
The frontpage implies that
climate science to date has not been «real,» while the many errors made by the speakers as well as their serious credibility issues (Willie Soon's infamous paper, another paper
more recently with Noah Robinson that made up data, Spencer's flawed book
on climate sensitivity, Singer's history since about 1990, Schmitt's uncorrected error in a NASA paper, Bast and Taylor's lies in defense of Schmitt, and so
on) suggest the opposite — the speakers at the ICCC are the ones attempting to falsify the science.
For a method for that, may I encourage you to look at Roy Spencer's recent model
on thermal diffusion in the ocean:
More Evidence that Global Warming is a False Alarm: A Model Simulation of the last 40 Years of Deep Ocean Warming June 25th, 2011 See especially his Figure Forcing Feedback Diffusion Model Explains Weak Warming in 0 - 700 m layer as Consistent with Low Climate Sensitivity His model appears to be more accurate than the IPC
More Evidence that Global Warming is a False Alarm: A Model Simulation of the last 40 Years of Deep Ocean Warming June 25th, 2011 See especially his Figure Forcing Feedback Diffusion Model Explains Weak Warming in 0 - 700 m layer as Consistent with Low
Climate Sensitivity His model appears to be
more accurate than the IPC
more accurate than the IPCC's.