First, doesn't the model uncertainty include both model noise (i.e., weather fluctuations) and systematic differences among the models?
Fustey's takeaway message is that standard deviation can't model uncertainty.
Not exact matches
While the
uncertainty in the results from Jacobson's
model and his own experiments is large, Ramanathan said he «wouldn't rule out that black carbon is the second - largest global warmer.»
She adds, however, that although there is good evidence that countershading acts as a defense mechanism, there will always be some
uncertainty about interpreting countershading in dinosaurs, because we can't present a
model Psittacosaurus to their natural predators to see which type of pattern provides the best protection.
Also, the
model - based approach includes measures of
uncertainty about our population estimates, which are
not usually provided by more common approaches and are crucial for understanding the level of confidence we have about our estimates.»
Kendall says
uncertainty about the new regimen's role prompted her group's interest in creating a computer
model to assist health care groups and governments in deciding whether or
not to switch to the new regimen, which uses a combination of seven drugs.
As can be seen your graph, our climate
models make a wide range of predictions (perhaps 0.5 - 5 degC, a 10-fold
uncertainty) about how much «committed warming» will occur in the future under any stabilization scenario, so we don't seem to have a decent understanding of these processes.
Giving statistically accurate and informative assessments of a
model's
uncertainty is a daunting task, and an expert's scientific training for such an estimation may
not always be adequate.
I would agree that unforeseen changes in ocean circulation could throw off
model predictions, there are surely other wildcards too, but
uncertainty like that is
not your friend if you want to argue against avoiding climate change.
But while Lewis argues that the
uncertainty in E is large and climate
models do
not give the value as accurately as we'd like, that does
not justify ignoring that
uncertainty entirely.
Observations of gravitational lensing at that time already hinted the presence of dark energy, but both due to the small sample size and large
uncertainty in the theoretical
modeling of lensing rates the result was
not widely accepted.
For example,
models don't currently include permafrost methane emissions — as there's too much
uncertainty about them.
Therefore, I wouldn't attach much credence, if any, to a
modelling study that didn't explore the range of possibilities arising from such
uncertainty in parameter values, and particularly in the value of something as crucial as the climate sensitivity parameter, as in this example.
This paper suggests that
models with sensitivity around 4ºC did the best, though they didn't give a formal estimation of the range of
uncertainty.
In addition, the authors do
not account for
uncertainties in the simple
model whose sensitivity is fitted.
Given that clouds are known to be the primary source of
uncertainty in climate sensitivity, how much confidence can you place in a study based on a
model that doesn't even attempt to simulate clouds?
However, in view of the fact that cloud feedbacks are the dominant contribution to
uncertainty in climate sensitivity, the fact that the energy balance
model used by Schmittner et al can
not compute changes in cloud radiative forcing is particularly serious.
This method tries to maximize using pure observations to find the temperature change and the forcing (you might need a
model to constrain some of the forcings, but there's a lot of
uncertainty about how the surface and atmospheric albedo changed during glacial times... a lot of studies only look at dust and
not other aerosols, there is a lot of
uncertainty about vegetation change, etc).
This could be because of the structural deficiency of the
model, or because of errors in the data, but the (hard to characterise)
uncertainty in the former is
not being carried into final
uncertainty estimate.
It is
not all that earthshaking that the numbers in Schmittner et al come in a little low: the 2.3 ºC is well within previously accepted
uncertainty, and three of the IPCC AR4
models used for future projections have a climate sensitivity of 2.3 ºC or lower, so that the range of IPCC projections already encompasses this possibility.
What is more surprising is the small
uncertainty interval given by this paper, and this is probably simply due to the fact that
not all relevant
uncertainties in the forcing, the proxy temperatures and the
model have been included here.
In addition,
model intercomparison studies do
not quantify the range of
uncertainty associated with a specific aerosol process, nor does this type of
uncertainty analysis provide much information on which aerosol process needs improving the most.
By scaling spatio - temporal patterns of response up or down, this technique takes account of gross
model errors in climate sensitivity and net aerosol forcing but does
not fully account for
modelling uncertainty in the patterns of temperature response to uncertain forcings.
The authors propose a conceptual
model integrating privacy concerns, self - efficacy, and Internet experience with
uncertainty reduction strategies and amount of self - disclosure and then test this
model on a nation - wide sample of online dating participants (
N = 562).
You won't have to worry
uncertainty around what kind of vehicle you're getting when you choose a CPO Jaguar, because each of these
models has undergone a thorough 165 - point inspection by a factory - trained and certified Jaguar technician.
Adding the
Uncertainty Index to the
model does
not improve its efficacy.
There are limitations in using a Monte Carlo simulation, including the analysis is only as good as the assumptions, and despite
modeling for a range of
uncertainties in the future, it does
not eliminate
uncertainty.
I can determine the standard
uncertainty for all the measured variables from statistics It is falsifiable — i can move a body at a certain velocity for a certain time and measure the traveled distance If the traveled distance does not fit with calculated distance within the uncertainty calculated by using the international standard Guide to the expression of Uncertainty in Measurement the model migh
uncertainty for all the measured variables from statistics It is falsifiable — i can move a body at a certain velocity for a certain time and measure the traveled distance If the traveled distance does
not fit with calculated distance within the
uncertainty calculated by using the international standard Guide to the expression of Uncertainty in Measurement the model migh
uncertainty calculated by using the international standard Guide to the expression of
Uncertainty in Measurement the model migh
Uncertainty in Measurement the
model might be wrong.
But, as far as I can see, the «attacks» by vested interests are
not even able to make legitimate points (e.g.
uncertainty about the effects of clouds or aerosols in climate
models).
[Response:
Uncertainty in the observations is very different from the uncertainty due to possible weather variations that might have happened but didn't (the dominant term in the near - future mod
Uncertainty in the observations is very different from the
uncertainty due to possible weather variations that might have happened but didn't (the dominant term in the near - future mod
uncertainty due to possible weather variations that might have happened but didn't (the dominant term in the near - future
model spread).
(in general, whether for future projections or historical reconstructions or estimates of climate sensitivity, I tend to be sympathetic to arguments of more rather than less
uncertainty because I feel like in general,
models and statistical approaches are
not exhaustive and it is «plausible» that additional factors could lead to either higher or lower estimates than seen with a single approach.
It seems clear that the new data (including HadSST3) will be closer to the
models than previously, if
not quite perfectly in line (but given the
uncertainties in the magnitude of the Krakatoa forcing, a perfect match is unlikely).
But I would really have preferred if they had written in Helvetica, 30, Bold that the
uncertainty band is
not on the actual, as measured in the field, global average temperature, but on their matematical
model of it, and because of the steps that
model contain, probably an order of magnitude too optimistic with respect to the actual temperature.
We are currently exploring the impacts that updates in the forcings have on the CMIP5
model runs and exploring the range of
uncertainty where we don't have solid information.
Cloud responses are more uncertain and that feeds in to the
uncertainty in overall climate sensitivity — but the range in the AR4
models (2.1 to 4.5 deg C for 2xCO2) can't yet be constrained by paleo - climate results which have their own
uncertainties.
I talked only about the topic of this post, which is: the mismatch betweem
model results and observations, and it's implication for
model uncertainty (since the mismatch can
not be attributed to observation errors).
Neither of these cases imply that the forcings or
models are therefore perfect (they are
not), but deciding whether the differences are related to internal variability, forcing
uncertainties (mostly in aerosols), or
model structural
uncertainty is going to be harder.
When you think about the
uncertainties of economic
models and how much money is invested using those
models as a basis, the idea that we don't know enough about climate change is laughable.
Modelling uncertainty currently is such that in some climate
models, this amount of freshwater (without any other forcing) would shut down deep water formation, in some it wouldn't.
* Indeed, possible errors in the amplitudes of the external forcing and a
models response are accounted for by scaling the signal patterns to best match observations, and thus the robustness of the IPCC conclusion is
not slaved to
uncertainties in aerosol forcing or sensitivity being off.
f there is so much
uncertainty in the observed data and the
model outputs that one can
not conclude that they are significantly different, then it also follows that one can
not conclude that the
models are accurately representing the real world.
The solar irradiance forcing is given as 0.4 + / - 0.2 W / m2 since 1850 (Fig 18, panel 1, Hansen et al, 2002 — note the the zero was
not an
uncertainty in panel 2, it was just what was put in that version of the
model — i.e. they did
not change solar then).
If she accepts that attribution is amenable to quantitative analysis using some kind of
model (doesn't have to be a GCM), I don't get why she doesn't accept that the numbers are going to be different for different time periods and have varying degrees of
uncertainty depending on how good the forcing data is and what other factors can be brought in.
When faced with durable
uncertainty on many fronts — in the
modeling of the atmosphere, in data delineating past climate changes, and more — pushing ever harder to boost clarity may be scientifically important but is
not likely to be very relevant outside a small circle of theorists.
In their rejoinder MW claim they didn't agree with reducing the data set to 59 as follows: «the application of ad hoc methods to screen and exclude data increases
model uncertainty in ways that are unmeasurable and uncorrectable.»
The
model uncertainties are so huge they are
not inconsistent with observations.
This paper suggests that
models with sensitivity around 4ºC did the best, though they didn't give a formal estimation of the range of
uncertainty.
If there is so much
uncertainty in the observed data and the
model outputs that one can
not conclude that they are significantly different, then it also follows that one can
not conclude that the
models are accurately representing the real world.
The
models don't by any means capture the
uncertainty in their forecasts, and their are a large number of other sources of
uncertainty in the
models used to forecast emissions from concentrations).
And that gray
uncertainty range is for the
not - forcing - adjusted
models, if I understand correctly.