Again, it is John Paul II who so powerfully argued, especially in Centesimus Annus, that it is
not agnosticism that secures a free and just society but a religiously informed respect for the person and the person in community.
Since when is being spiritual but not religious
not agnosticism?
Not exact matches
Agnosticism is
not a position in and of itself.
Unfortunately if you are strictly saying atheist, then you need to include Buddhism,
agnosticism, Taoism and plenty of others in the number, because they are technically atheists because they do
not believe in god / gods.
I would
not put atheism and
agnosticism into the same category as this man did!!!
Agnosticism is
not BETWEEN Atheism and Theism.
Agnosticism is rooted in the realization that there are things that we don't know, and acceptance that we may
not ever know them.
Agnosticism is just a step in the direction of Atheism, it does
not have the high ground since it gives equal credibility to belief and no belief in religion... they are
not equal.
That would tend to show that
agnosticism is the default position,
not atheism.
Bah, don't let the crazy ol' bible ruin you on some tasty
agnosticism.
fda has a point... I am
not here to shove religion down any ones throat but man other sure have been shoving atheism and
agnosticism down my throat.
This book will set you on the right track...
not towards atheism or
agnosticism, but on the path to critical thinking and reason.
devin: «So most atheists realize they can't substantiate their position either and do a two step over to
agnosticism.»
(Atheism is a claim to know that God does
not exist, whereas
agnosticism says that we don't or can't know whether there is a God.)
So most atheists realize they can't substantiate their position either and do a two step over to
agnosticism.
He sounds agnostic already, I claimed
agnosticism for a long time,
not understanding I was really an atheist.
I get your point John, I was saying is» Within
agnosticism there are agnostic atheists (who do
not believe any deity exists, but do
not deny it as a possibility)»
Agnosticism does
not exist.
It's her choice, of course, but: Why didn't she try
agnosticism first?
Most Christian answers to
agnosticism seem
not to begin to understand the
agnosticism; they seem to invoke the compassion of God.
Actually, the argument that
agnosticism does
not exist and that all agnostics are truly atheist is untrue.
Agnosticism is merely unwillingness to accept that you don't believe.
@ John, what you are describing is called
Agnosticism,
not Atheism.
I do
not pretend to know where many ignorant people like you are sure — that is all that
agnosticism means.
We concede that
not all who doubt the existence of a personal God do so because they accept the theory of evolution, whether the word be restricted to biology or enlarged to its cosmic significance, but we do say, and from experience know, that most modern
agnosticism is bound up with those non-theistic philosophies of evolution that stream off from Hegel as their modern fountain - head.
It is
not reasonable, he argues with great intellectual sophistication, to hold that atheism or
agnosticism is the default position of rationality.
Besides if it was a progression, who is to say that
agnosticism wasn't the pinnacle?
Gnostic - 100 % certainity;
Agnosticism - maybe, maybe
not; Theist - believes in god; Atheist doesn't believe in god.
Actually you missed the OP's point: he didn't say atheism and
agnosticism are the same thing.
Secondly, he was a staunch anti-theist and atheist,
agnosticism and atheism are
not mutually exclusive positions and he died an atheist.
Likewise the Intellectual atheism /
Agnosticism type has a lot in common with intellectual theology, although they are clearly
not the same.
Agnosticism goes to lack of ability to know the existence of gods and atheism goes to
not holding the belief in gods.
He evidently did
not share the other's
agnosticism, approaching though
not quite reaching atheism.1 (The Origin did end with a positive reference to the Creator.)
Agnosticism pretty much means, «We don't know and we're fine with it.».
agnosticism and atheism are
not mutually exclusive.
You seem confused on
agnosticism, but that's
not the point.
Agnosticism is
not a position between atheist and theism.
Similarly,
agnosticism is
not a place between theism and atheism, it is the position that we can
not or do
not know that gods exist.
His point was
not to say that you must choose Christianity or Empirical Humanism — rather that people should choose to believe in something: either a traditional religion that puts upon you a set of expectations to meet or a rejection of divinity that gives you a form of Atheism /
Agnosticism that holds to reason as a higher truth.
But,
agnosticism is
not an alternative to atheism or deism, it simply refers to a belief about «proof» rather than a belief about «existence.»
Also I would point out «atheism» and «
agnosticism» are
not mutually exclusive.
Some might claim this is
agnosticism but it is
not as an agnostic believes there may or may
not be God's but we have no way of verifying it so they see no reason to commit.
Agnosticism is really the best position to hold, because we truly don't know the real answers to any of these questions.
In the face of this kind of Christian
agnosticism, one can
not speak of absolute divine truths, because no divine truths exist, only opinions.
============== @momoya «
Agnosticism is
NOT «atheism light.».»
It is highly significant that these questions come
not from one committed to
agnosticism, but from a Christian exegete.
Anything less is
agnosticism which is
not atheism.
Einstein also couched his
agnosticism in terms of specific representations of God made by religions
not agnostic as to God and certainly
not agnostic as to Spinoza's «God»
Agnosticism and Atheism are
not exclusionary.
Personally, I think the only truly honest position is «I don't know for sure, and I say so» -
agnosticism.