Also what the Pharisees believed in was
not bodily resurrection but «the resurrection» when israel is restored.
Now following the link of «Resurrection of the dead» wiki agrees with the early point of
not bodily resurrection but «national resurrection
Not exact matches
1 Peter 3:18 — during the crucifixion when Christ died — Jesus died in the flesh, but his deity was alive «alive in the spirit» (a Spirit can
not die, therefore when a verse says «raise from the dead» it can only refer to a
bodily resurrection)
A
Resurrection of his physical body, such as is implied by the empty tomb and by some of the stories in the Gospels of his appearances, would point towards a docetic Christ who does
not fully share the lot of men; unless, indeed,
bodily corruption were to be regarded as being bound up with the sinfulness of man which Christ did
not share (but, unless we accept an impossibly literalistic interpretation of Genesis 3 as factual history, it is impossible to hold that physical dissolution is
not part of the Creator's original and constant intention for his creatures in this world).
I doubt that he would personally object to
bodily resurrection, ascension, and enthronement, although these are
not the themes of his teaching.
Unless one can accept, say, the doctrines of the Virgin Birth, the
bodily Resurrection of Jesus, and the Trinity, then one can
not be a Christian believer.
That is why I said that of course I did
not maintain that one can
not be an intelligent Christian and continue to believe in a
bodily resurrection.
And you can't use we are more «enlighten» then the dark ages, for they did
not believe in
bodily resurrection just as us but for different reasons.
So much of the media focuses on what Crossan questions - the
bodily resurrection of Jesus, miracles attributed to Jesus - that people assume he's
not a Christian.
Funny, I thought Christians believed in a
bodily resurrection of everybody in the end times, heaven or hell coming after that
resurrection,
not some spiritual heaven - ish or hell - ish para-existence in a disembodied state that starts the moment you die physically.
And after all, it doesn't really matter if it was an actual
bodily resurrection, because a
bodily resurrection has no religious significance.
But the fact that a
bodily resurrection could have certain implications for people of the first century does
not necessarily mean it can have these same implications for us today.
Therefore those who can
not believe in the
bodily resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth can
not use this as an excuse to reject Christianity.
While Paul's thought is by no means always clear, and perhaps from letter to letter
not always exactly the same, it is nevertheless certain that his concept of
resurrection can be clearly distinguished from that of the traditional «
bodily resurrection».27 Paul does
not speak in terms of the «same body» but rather in terms of a new body, whether it be a «spiritual body», 28 «the likeness of the heavenly man», 29 «a house
not made by human hands, eternal and in heaven», 30 or, a «new body put on» over the old.31 In using various figures of speech to distinguish between the present body of flesh and blood and the future
resurrection body, he seems to be thinking of both bodies as the externals which clothe the spirit and without which we should «find ourselves naked».32 But he freely confesses that the «earthly frame that houses us today ’33 may, like the seed, and man of dust, be destroyed, but the «heavenly habitation», which the believer longs to put on, is already waiting in the heavenly realm, for it is eternal by nature.
As the Christian comes to abandon his belief in the empty tomb and «
bodily resurrection», even though he once regarded it as a sure and certain proof of the truth of Christianity, he may experience an exhilarating sense of freedom
not unlike that felt by Paul when for the sake of Christ he abandoned the former things in which he trusted.
Nowadays even the most conservative defenders of the «
bodily resurrection» of Jesus do
not hesitate to support their case by arguments resting on an historical or literary basis.
The point being made at the present is that we are
not really «in a position to ask about the meaning of the
resurrection» until we have escaped from the fetters of the rigid tradition of «
bodily resurrection».
’15 He further conceded that this view of «
bodily resurrection» may remain equally true whether the original corpse of Jesus continued to remain in the tomb or
not.
We have opened up the question sufficiently to show that there is a very real possibility that the whereabouts of the burial place of Jesus was
not known when his
resurrection first began to be proclaimed, and that unless this can be established as an historical fact, that argument for the «
bodily resurrection» which we have been considering remains invalid.
In his book Surprised by Hope, N.T. Wright notes, «The point of the
resurrection... is that the present
bodily life is
not valueless just because it will die... What you do with your body in the present matters because God has a great future in store for it.
Bodily resurrection is
not just one odd bit of that hope.
First, the interest in
bodily resurrection demonstrates that Christians understood the person as composed of soul and body,
not primarily as soul.
Bynum does
not claim to know exactly what earlier understandings of
bodily resurrection say to us, but she intuits that they tell us something if we have ears to hear and eyes to see.
It is also inconsistent with the reality of the human body on earth, which clearly does
not rise, and indeed with the
bodily resurrection of Christ and the Assumption of Our Lady.
It was
not some spiritual
resurrection in the confused minds of befuddled disciples, but the man from Nazareth who arose
bodily from the tomb and appeared to talk and eat with his discouraged, frightened followers.
Surely it should be clear that the paradoxical character of the term «spiritual body,» when applied to the resurrected Christ, means that Paul did
not conceive of the
bodily resurrection as a «proof.»
For Paul, there is a
bodily resurrection, but since «flesh and blood can
not inherit the Kingdom of God,» there must be different kinds of bodies or different sorts of vessels in which we have our humanity.
Corollaries to these notions were that embodied human beings are intrinsically evil and must undertake severe ascetical practices to «free» the soul from its carnal prison; that marriage and the getting of children is evil; and that the Catholic Church, with its
bodily sacraments and its doctrines of «the
resurrection of the flesh,»
not to mention its rich and worldly ways, is a principle of evil.
Luke countered withdrawal from
bodily existence with the blatantly
bodily quality of Jesus»
resurrection — «See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; handle me, and see; for a spirit has
not flesh and bones as you see that I have» (Luke 24:39).
Make no mistake, we are
not challenging the historical fact of the
bodily resurrection of Jesus.
Paul was a Pharisee, and Pharisees believed in a
bodily resurrection, so if Paul believed that the talking, bright light speaking to him on the Damascus Road was the executed Jesus, then he would of course believe that he had seen the (
bodily) resurrected Jesus, even if he had actually
not seen a body, but only a bright light!
We reject, as ideas
not rooted in Judaism, the beliefs both in
bodily resurrection and in Gehenna and Eden as abodes for everlasting punishments and rewards.»
But this brings us to another aspect of Omega immortality that is, if
not counterintuitive, then countercultural: its strangeness, in association with the
bodily resurrection.
I was assigned the task of teaching theology, but when I came to the
resurrection, I honestly had to say at that stage that is was
not about an actual event of a
bodily resurrection but a community memory of an unexplained event.