This is
not objective morality though.
The question wasn't about historical facts, it was about whether or
not objective morality actually exists.
This is certainly
not objective morality.
Not exact matches
Since you base your
morality on gods scale, you are blinded and
not objective when actually judging gods actions.
You can't really believe that atheists, agnostics, deists and other religions can
not determine right from wrong because they do
not believe in an
objective morality, don't be so obtuse.
«God did HEARTLESS and HORRENDOUS things... Don't try to PRETEND those are examples of GOOD «
objective morality».
Since truthfollower thinks that it is o.k. for god to commit genocide, and
not Hitler
morality can't be
objective.
Since you don't subscribe to
objective morality but only to subjective, given the scenario, would it be subjectively (the only
morality you apparently subscribe to) good to you to murder the Jewish people?
There goes Theo, just like truthfollower, making claims they can't support regarding
objective morality:
Atheist
morality is without any
objective basis and, if followed with integrity, doesn't allow them to act against others who act contrary to their moral system (as they insist that each subjective moral judgment is equal in value, all being based purely on individual feelings).
Since
objective morality wouldn't come from the Bible, where does it come from?
Objective morality does
not exist... --------------- If that's true, then no one has any grounds to call Hitler a bad person, or that he even did anything bad or wrong at all.
Objective morality does
not exist, despite the protestations of numerous, disparate religions.
But again, if there is no
objective standard of
morality, then Catholic priests who molest children are
not doing anything bad, because it was right in their own eyes.
So in certain cases, like statutory ra / pe, it isn't a question of
objective morality but of cultural norms?
Also, i don't remember if you and I have discussed
morality in the past, but do you believe
morality is
objective or subjective?
There are ways to be able to reason
morality as
objective (
not in the usual religious sense however) without attributing it to a higher moral authority (god).
I am very sure that
morality is
objective, human independent, something we uncover like archeologists
not something we build like architects.»
This is relative / subjective
morality,
not objective / absolute
morality.
You would say my opinion doesn't matter; opinions don't count in
objective morality.
Since the senseless ra - pe of an innocent bystander is objectively morally wrong and
objective morality is grounded in the nature of God, then God can
not command this for it is acting contrary to His nature and His nature doesn't change.
However, what I believe you are really hoping for is that I
not only acknowledge
objective morality but attribute it to god, and this is very unlikely.
My present inclination is
not to subscribe to
objective morality.
Not that the biblical god provides an
objective system, or that it is the best
objective system, but that somehow
objective morality in an of itself is evidence for god's existence.»
But it can hardly be doubted that such a state of actually invincible error in moral questions exists also in society or in social groups in which the individual participates, so that his power of moral discernment does
not go beyond a certain point, which, through no fault of his own, falls below
objective morality.
I will conclude by saying that on the atheistic there is no
objective morality anyways so I don't believe that the atheist has any grounds for accusing God or anyone else for that matter if doing anything evil or wrong.
So no,
objective morality itself is
not evidence for god.
AG, I asked because all too many believers are constantly making the claim that we could
not be moral without God, and he is necessary for
morality to be
objective, and that without God everyone would go around raping and murdering, and that people would
not do anything good.
You don't believe in
objective morality or when god ordered genocide it would also be immoral.
By using genocide as as example of
objective morality and
not viewing god as immoral when he orders genocide in the Bible you only proving that
morality is subjective.
Nowadays,
morality is addressed in terms of «empathy» or doing «what you FEEL is right»... but
morality is
OBjective,
not SUBjective, and God is the One to let us know what that
morality is...
not what you «think»...
While it may
not be universal, I suspect it is statistically supportable that the objection most atheists have to the existence of God is the idea of
objective morality.
Do you or do you
not believe that there is an
objective morality?
You claimed that the reason people object to atheism is because they don't buy
objective morality.
Yes we are, because you feel for it to be worth anything at all you must have an «
objective» standard, which even you don't have if you believe that your
morality comes from a god.
that's
not objective, but subjective
morality.
why feel the need to argue for an
objective morality if you don't believe in the
objective in the first place?
Incidentally, even if god exists then his does
not represent
objective morality either.
I don't believe in
objective morality.
once you concede that racism or any other major immorality could be deemed acceptable in the future, you are
not talking about an
objective basis for
morality — because it changes.
those appealing to
Objective morality have the problem of having a standard imposed on them, but those without such a basis can
not appeal to such a standard / justice & thereby have no compassion.
None the less, if one responds as a whole person, one can have confidence in one's response as one can
not have confidence in any
objective knowledge or universal prescriptions of
morality.
Actually if one is claiming that there can
not be
objective morality without god it is relevant.
To take up your point on
morality, I can
not fathom how there is such a thing as «
objective morality».
colin: «To take up your point on
morality, I can
not fathom how there is such a thing as «
objective morality».
Your idea of
objective morality would make such decisions black or white when they are
not.
I thought you said
morality was
objective and slavery was wrong... Isn't this a contradiction of your previous position?
To equate
morality solely with well - being does
not make it
objective; it simply assumes this is the case.
If
not, then
objective morality exists, if yes, then
objective morality still exists.
William Provine, for example, has been on a crusade to persuade the public that it has to discard either Darwinism or God, and
not only God but also such non-materialistic concepts as free will and
objective standards of
morality.