objective morality, when used as «evidence» of the existence of god is classic circular reasoning; «I believe in god because of the existence of objective morality and I believe in
objective morality because I believe in god.
Not exact matches
You can't really believe that atheists, agnostics, deists and other religions can not determine right from wrong
because they do not believe in an
objective morality, don't be so obtuse.
But again, if there is no
objective standard of
morality, then Catholic priests who molest children are not doing anything bad,
because it was right in their own eyes.
But ultimately, you are embracing the latter
because you are arguing an
objective / absolute
morality in god's immutable good nature which is a source of
morality beyond god's actual control.
AG, I asked
because all too many believers are constantly making the claim that we could not be moral without God, and he is necessary for
morality to be
objective, and that without God everyone would go around raping and murdering, and that people would not do anything good.
Their reasoning goes something like this; I believe in God
because objective morality exists and the reason I believe
objective morality exists is
because I believe in a god who holds that
morality.
Maybe its
because, unlike others, Obama has tried his best to square his religion with undeniable reality, facts,
objective morality, and human rights.
You claimed that the reason people object to atheism is
because they don't buy
objective morality.
Yes we are,
because you feel for it to be worth anything at all you must have an «
objective» standard, which even you don't have if you believe that your
morality comes from a god.
once you concede that racism or any other major immorality could be deemed acceptable in the future, you are not talking about an
objective basis for
morality —
because it changes.
However, if he commands it
because morality is
objective,
morality can, obviously, exist without a god.
First, if a god commands that something is so, merely
because it tickles his fancy, then it is «
objective»
morality simply
because everyone and every thing must follow it.
Whether he commands it
because morality is
objective, or merely
because he wants it, is irrelevant.
@JacobS: By mentioning the South's justification of slavery by invoking Jesus, you seem to be disproving Evan's point that
morality is
objective because of Jesus and God.
GaryM won't talk to me (
because I'm immoral — presumably as determined by his «
objective» standards of
morality)....
So not only would it be wasteful to exchange views with them
because they «deny» Gary's view of «
objective morality», it just be doubly wasteful
because of their deprived thinking skills.
The
objectives may have no particular merit or
morality, but they are the client's own, and if they fail it should be
because they lacked legal merit, not
because the lawyer represented them inadequately.