According to the World Climate Report (IPCC), more than 80 % of the heat that Earth has additionally absorbed thus far due to the altered greenhouse effect is stored in the upper
ocean layers down to a depth of 1 500 metres.
Not exact matches
Now the flood is supposed to have happened about 4361 years ago (2013)[1] so that means that if we go
down that number of
layers we should find on or about that
layer evidence of the flood in the form of dead plankton, salt, and other
ocean detritus.
«So if I have this depression at the south pole, and I have beneath the surface 50 kilometers
down a
layer of water or an
ocean, that
layer of water at depth is a positive mass anomaly.
The green
layer is the lithospheric plate, which forms at the mid
ocean ridge, then cools
down and thickness as it moves away from the ridge.
«We were quite surprised at how massive, how thick this haze
layer was,» says co-chief scientist Veerabhadran Ramanathan of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, «and that it cut
down on the sunlight going into the
ocean by as much as 10 percent.»
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Their argument goes like this: It is not possible that warming of the deep
ocean accelerates at the same time as warming of the upper
ocean slows
down, because the heat must pass through the upper
layer to reach the depths.
That the heat absorption of the
ocean as a whole (at least to 2000 m) has not significantly slowed makes it clear that the reduced warming of the upper
layer is not (at least not much) due to decreasing heating from above, but rather mostly due to greater heat loss to lower
down: through the 700 m level, from the upper to the lower
layer.
Don't the
oceans have to absorb heat not only in the surface / mid
layers but right
down to the bottom for radiative heat balance to occur?
The mixed
layer of the
ocean is mixed (pretty much by definition) thus the net fluxes at the surface (latent heat, sensible heat, long wave up and
down, short wave
down) warm or cool the whole
layer.
The sun's rays warm the top
layer of the
ocean down to 10's of meters below the surface.
It is proposed by Realclimate that the extra
down welling infrared radiation warms up that top single millimetre
layer (they call it the
ocean «skin») a tiny bit and apparently that is enough to disrupt the worldwide flow of heat energy from
ocean to air to space with the result that the
oceans release incoming solar energy more slowly so that heat builds up in the
oceans.
The
oceans» uptake of CO2 primarily depends on how fast CO2 can be transported downwards from the
ocean surface; if «too much» CO2 accumulates in the surface
layers at one time, absorption slows
down.
Enough oil and surfactant comes
down the world's rivers and by other means to coat the entire
ocean surface with a smoothing
layer every two weeks.
Joe Postma is also wrong in assuming solar radiation can heat the Earth's surface to that extent, especially when 70 % of the surface is a thin (say 1 centimetre deep) surface
layer of water which transmits most of the radiation
down into the
ocean thermoclines.
Then, especially when there is excessive cloud cover over the
oceans, the Sun's energy absorbed above the clouds can actually make its way
down to the
ocean surface (and below) warming the
oceans by non-radiative processes, not by direct solar radiation which mostly passes through the thin surface
layer and could barely raise the mean temperature of an asphalt paved Earth above -35 C.
I'm not saying 0 - 2000m wont rise some more (probably will a little), just that if the upper Pacific / Atlantic
layers aren't gaining there's not much reason for below 700 to go much higher given the top
down nature of
ocean heating (neglecting geo source).
And your theory is that it's more likely to be heating the
ocean from 700m — 2000m
down (but not the
layer above that).
On an earlier thread I made a back - of - envelope calculation that, for the deep
ocean to «suck» all the heat
down from the surface, so that the sea surface
layer and troposphere were nowhere more than 3C, the mean temperature of the deep
ocean would need to increase only 0.4 C. Maybe someone could check this.
We have all those building blocks that end up as limestone, raining
down from the top 100ft
layer of the
Oceans that cover approx 70 % of the Planet, all day and every day?
The evaporative, conductive and radiative processes combined then set up a thermal gradient causing an upward flow of energy from water to air from where that 1 mm
layer touches the
ocean bulk below, up across the cooler
layer then to the Knudsen
layer by reversing the normal (warm at the top and cool at the bottom) temperature gradient which exists from that 1 mm
layer down to the
ocean bottom.
When temperature of the skin
layer becomes higher than the temperature 5 cm below then we have the heat flow
down (the daytime regime) while at night the temperature of the skin
layer becomes less than that 5 cm below and the
ocean loses energy to the air.
The emissivity and absorptivity of the
ocean are set to 1, there are no
ocean currents, the atmosphere doesn't heat up and cool
down with the
ocean surface, the solar radiation value doesn't change through the year, the top
layer was 5 mm not 1μm, the cooler skin
layer was not modeled, a number of isothermal
layers is unphysical compared with the real
ocean of continuously varying temperatures..
It's more or less constant or the thermocline between the deep
ocean and the upper
layer would be moving up or
down.
They have only measured the temperature of the skin
layer and a point 5 cm
down in the
ocean bulk.
Simultaneously, the slowing
down of the decrease of temperature in the
ocean skin
layer reduces the heat transport from below.
The «backing up» of energy in SST (skin) pending processing in SST (int) seems to be a natural phenomenon yet still we see a temperature discontinuity lower
down between
ocean bulk (the mixed
layer) and SST subskin.
In terms of upward energy flow the cooler interacting
layer pulls energy upward exactly as much as the warmer skin slows it
down for a zero net effect on the upward rate of flow from the
ocean.
This is due to the slowing
down of the cooling of the
ocean skin
layer due to the reduction of the net flow of heat by radiation.
(«Inputs — outputs» includes the heat being transferred from the model
layers down into the
ocean depths below 100m).
It's important to point out that overall deep -
ocean heating (0 - 2,000 meters) shows no sign of a slow
down in recent years, though shallower
layers (0 - 300 meters and 0 - 700 meters) do.
The differences really boil
down to the efficiency of mixing
ocean layers.
This is still very early science, and we have some estimates of what may happen to those from modelling studies, from looking at the way in which the heating of the very upper
layers of the Arctic
Ocean is transferred down through the depth of the ocean - even in these relatively shallow Arctic shelf regions - and then into the sediments that would allow the methane hydrates to destabi
Ocean is transferred
down through the depth of the
ocean - even in these relatively shallow Arctic shelf regions - and then into the sediments that would allow the methane hydrates to destabi
ocean - even in these relatively shallow Arctic shelf regions - and then into the sediments that would allow the methane hydrates to destabilise.
Not a good mechanism for pushing heat
down below the surface
layers of the
ocean.
So what Curry and Gavin and me all said right away was that once the more concentrated heat (higher temperature) in the upper 10 % of the
ocean diffuses
down into the bulk of the
ocean (causing a much smaller temperature rise) there is no way it can ever become concentrated in the surface
layer again.
Wind, sun, and waves grind
down large - scale plastic artifacts, leaving the seas full of microscopic plastic particles that will eventually rain
down on the
ocean floor, creating a
layer that could persist for geological timescales.
That warming extends the 50 m or so to the seabed because we are dealing with only a polar surface water
layer here (over the shelves the Arctic
Ocean structure is one -
layer rather than three
layers) and the surface warming is mixed
down by wave - induced mixing because the extensive open water permits large fetches.
And over on the Atlantic flank of the Arctic, another recent report concludes that the Arctic
Ocean's cold
layering system that blocks Atlantic inflows is breaking
down, allowing a deluge of warmer, denser water to flood into the Arctic Basin.