Sara Urry, the difference is that other religions don't impose their beliefs on other religions while Mormons do by the very act
of baptizing people by proxy who would not have consented while they were still living.
Later, much of the conquest of the New World by Christian Europe was justified, and partly motivated, by this goal
of baptizing all people.
The church of Jesus Christ is the community
of baptized persons who are ministers in and to the world.
Not exact matches
In other words, I as a member
of The Church
of Jesus Christ, can do the work for the
person who has died by being
baptized for him.
The actions
of the Mormons who «
baptized» dead Jews is still significantly less heinous than the actions
of some Roman Catholic Inquisitors who actually exhumed the corpses
of some
people to put them on «trial» for heresy.
They have to be interviewed to make sure that this is their decision and not their parents although at times
people of all ages do get
baptized for the wrong reason be they 8 or 58.
But it is equally offensive to Buddhists, Muslims, and to all other
people of faith, including Christians who have already been
baptized and don't believe they need that sacrament / ordinance again, especially after death.
A living
person, often a descendant who has become a member
of The Church
of Jesus Christ
of Latter - day Saints, is
baptized in behalf
of a deceased
person.
Paul makes mention
of people in the Corinth church doing it, but NEVER does he say it is to BE done and NO WHERE in the Bible does it say someone can be
baptized in place
of a
person who has died.
If you believe what your saying you really haven't been converted and never will It will also be to late for the
people you have deceived Unless you actually repent and be properly
baptized and do as he says If you love me keep my commandments That does mean including the real Sabbath the 7TH day
of the week and not the first day (Sunday) The mark
of the beast!
I now
baptize all dead
people in the religion
of Nonsense.
Since that's the ultimate goal
of every male Mormon, females can not become gods, the church has to
baptize people by proxy here on earth.
Only living
persons are to be
baptized, for just before Jesus ascension to heaven, he gave the command to his eleven faithful apostles: «Go therefore and make disciples
of people of all the nations,
baptizing them... teaching then to observe all the things I have commanded you.»
(John 13:26) Thus, proxy baptisms are not vaid, for the
person who is
baptized has to make an informed choice as to whether or not he or she desires to do so, to accept the responsibility
of following in Jesus «footsteps».
Which by the way, mormons don't claim
people baptized via proxy are members
of their church either, merely that they have the opportunity to become so.
As far as being
baptized for the dead, that's a total waist
of the living
person's time.
It must come as something
of a shock to many
of these
people to realize that over the last yen years the bulk
of his time has been spent in a ministry whose chief work is preaching,
baptizing, celebrating the Eucharist, teaching, counseling the troubled, comforting the sick and bereaved.
Both John and Peter called the Jewish
people to repent and be
baptized for the remission
of sins (cf. Luke 3:3 and Acts 2:38).
The prayer said as one is being
baptized goes as follows - Call the
person by their name and then states, «I
baptize you in the name
of the Father, and
of the Son, and
of the Holy Ghost, Amen.»
When a
person is saved they are
baptized into the body
of Christ.
If and when it happens, we might even start
baptizing people from alien backgrounds, as the early Christians did, and find our comfortable traditions shattered by the disconcerting presence
of strangers in the faith — including Muslims, Buddhists or Hindus.
It has nothing to do with a
person being saved,
baptized into the body
of Christ, indwelt and sealed with the Holy Spirit unto the day
of redemption.
So when many
people get
baptized, they say, «I
baptize you in the name
of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.»
The first
person to be
baptized in Philippi was Lydia, a seller
of purple goods.
Could the Church possibly say that because «the rules» about the indissolubility
of marriage are Catholic rules, they therefore don't apply to non-Catholics, even to
baptized Christian non-Catholics, even when those
persons become Catholics and put themselves under the jurisdiction
of the Church's teachings?
So we argue and condemn
people over the issue
of infant baptism vs. adult baptism, baptism by sprinkling vs. baptism by immersion, and whether a
person should be
baptized in the name
of Jesus vs. in the name
of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Even John the Baptist seems to have forgotten all that happened at Jesus» baptism, including his own words
of testimony that the
person he
baptized was far greater than he, one whose sandals he was not worthy to unloose.
In some liturgies the whole congregation places itself at the disposal
of those being
baptized, confirmed, married and ordained by taking vows to support these
persons in their new life and ministry.
Jesus said to his true disciples, following his resurrection: «Go therefore and make disciples
of people of all the nations,
baptizing them in the name
of the Father and
of the Son and
of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.»
During the Reformation, one group
of Christians got so upset that others were doing baptism wrong, that they decided to
baptize those other
people to death by drowning them.
From the inside I call this molded peculiarity «me»; those on the outside call it «Dick» — not a biological procedure
baptized with the theory
of soul, but rather an exciting and excitable, knowing, sensing, responding, growing and relational embodiment called
person.
People can pray for them,
baptize them, do the rite
of spring for them and it makes no difference.
This is by no means Mormons doing
baptizing for deceased
people and saying: «There, now that you are dead and have no choice we are going to offer a baptism for you and you are now a member
of our church whether you like it or not» It's not at all like that!
People can ridicule the act
of baptizing the dead, but they should not regard the intentions
of Mormons as evil, or disrespectful.
No where in scripture does it give an age
of when to
baptize and Jesus said to
baptize «ponta ethnae» (all
people).
Beside I think the whole point
of Mormon's
baptizing dead
people is that then they would have a choice to choose or deny the mormon doctrine?????
Also, do they make sure all
of the
people they
baptize in proxy are not gay first?
«The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership
of the whole
of life, is by its nature ordered toward the good
of the spouses and the procreation and education
of offspring; this covenant between
baptized persons has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity
of a sacrament.»
Consider that North American Mission Board president Kevin Ezell today announced that in the most recent year
of reporting (2012), the SBC's 2010 church plants
baptized 3,394
people.
Seeing these details alive in the lives
of other
baptized people ignites youthful passion in teens more than any youth event or personal sense
of purpose ever could.
Examples
of one or other
of the two kinds
of divine and unchangeable law would be, that a marriage between brother and sister is now invalid independently
of the will
of the Church; that a validly consummated marriage between
baptized persons is indissoluble and that the Church has no power to alter the fact; that the Church can not abolish the fact that there are seven sacraments, nor alter the ultimate features
of the Church's own constitution.
At the moment a
person is saved many things happen to them including their sins are forgiven, they receive the righteousness
of Christ, they are spiritually
baptized into the body
of Christ and are indwelt and sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day
of redemption.
Should it acknowledge that two previously married
persons were suddenly no longer conjoined in a sacrament, or maintain its teaching that a valid marriage between two
baptized Christians was indissoluble unless one
of the partners died?
I thought straight away this is a joke as scriptures tell us only the father knows the time
of his sons return and hes keeping it to himself he hasnt even told his son yet.Mark 13:32 This a mystery isnt God all knowing and isnt Jesus God it is a mystery.Yet I like that that is the case because it proves that the father is not the son and the son is not the father they are separate yet they are one just like the holy spirit.I have come across denominations that believe the father son and holy spirit are the one
person i asked them how they can say that when Jesus was
baptized we see 3 separate persons.We have enough information to know that we are in the last days the signs are present and increasing.Ever since Israel became a nation the countdown has begun.The verse the enemy will come like a thief in the night i have heard preached many times and i believe the preachers have got it wrong because they preach it from the view for the church to get there act together or you will miss out.This view is incorrect because if you are a born again believer following him in obedience and relying on the holy spirit you are not walking in darkness but are walking in the light so you will not be caught unaware as those who are sleeping this is a warning for those who are sleeping or walking according to the flesh they are in darkness.Remember the 10 wise virgins the ones who were alert and keep refilling there lamps went in with the bride those who slept were left behind and so it will be when the Lord returns.Now is the time to prepare our hearts and lives to be ready for his return.It is an exciting time to be living and we are to live in the expectation that the Lord could return at any time brentnz
So they are getting
baptized b / c
of the dead
person, to be with them in the afterlife, but not necessarily out
of faith in Christ.
There are some cultural things going on here with the act
of baptism, and the fact that family members and servants usually followed the religion
of the head
of their household, but again, the most straightforward way
of reading these texts is that more than one
person believed, and those that did believe were
baptized.
Otherwise, what do
people mean by being
baptized on behalf
of the dead?
As a result, multitudes
of people believed, and those who believed were
baptized into the name
of the Lord Jesus (8:16).
Some years ago, when revisionary theologians proposed
baptizing people «in the name
of the creator, the redeemer, and the sustainer,» their opponents insisted that the traditional biblical formula, «Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,» could not be dispensed with, because it is not merely a metaphor but God's own name.
Third, it can not be assumed that all
of the self - identified Christian
people (
baptized, born - again, converted, members — whatever criteria or name you want to use) gathered in these churches are subject to the influence
of the Holy Spirit.