Added sections on recent developments, and an overview
of creationist arguments.
My point here is not to particularly attack b4bigbang, it is to take this one pretty typical creationist claim and point out that it is an absolutely unsupportable falsehood, and that this is pretty typical
of creationist arguments.
This reminds
me of the creationist argument against dog breeding supporting evolution.
Not exact matches
Lets dispense with the creationism
argument... this is really an
argument about the existence
of God (God being the necessary precursor for any «
creationist» event).
Nye's first two examples basically blew apart the whole
creationist argument — we have ice cores that demonstrate a history
of over 680,000 years.
Funny how IDers don't claim to be
creationists, yet both have the EXACT same language and interpretation
of evolutionary theory verbatim, go to the same church, watch the same videos, use the same
arguments, vote for the same leaders, listen to the same pastors, and quote the same scripture, etc...
This attitude has also been held among scientists until recently, when the
creationist pressures on public education and policy became so threatening that some scientists founded a new journal, Creation / Evolution, a «Committee
of Correspondence» and a Creation / Evolution News letter, aimed at defending evolutionary science and dismantling
creationist arguments.
This is an old and tired
argument creationists love to make - that science is itself a form
of faith.
Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though
creationists often do (and then attack us falsely for a style
of argument that they themselves favor).
Most
of the
creationist / ID web sites have quietly begun to ask their followers to stop using a whole set
of arguments against evolution, including the «just a theory»
argument, because they reveal the person's woeful ignorance
of real science.
«The Gish Gallop, named after
creationist Duane Gish, is the debating technique
of drowning the opponent in such a torrent
of half - truths, lies, and straw - man
arguments that the opponent can not possibly answer every falsehood in real time.
We've got the fossils (millions
of them,
of extinct species), so
creationists have lost the
argument.
In this article Johnson provides what he calls a «rough description»
of modern evolutionary biology, raises a series
of arguments against evolution, and finally proposes a
creationist view
of the origin
of species.
As a young man, Charles Darwin was a
creationist deeply impressed with William Paley's version
of the
argument from design.
The «you weren't there so you don't know»
argument is actually a valid line
of reasoning within the
creationist community.
If you mean that we counter
creationists arguments that evolution runs counter to the second law
of thermodynamics by saying that that law only applies to heat transfer and randomness in a closed (gaseous) system, well, that is true.
If the
creationist argument can't handle something as fundamental as the speed
of light, how can anyone believe it?
Thank you, atheist sir, for doing such an excellent job
of showing how stupid are the
creationist and believer
arguments and positions!
As a result, the neo-Platonist tradition is becoming emboldened again, often encouraged by New Age spirituality (Goodwin's critics describe him as a New Age mystic); Aristotelianism is likewise making a comeback, particularly in
creationist arguments for the validity
of concepts such as purpose and design in biology.
To Tour's credit, at least he dismisses the
creationist denial
of radiometric dating; however, his opinions, which are targeting an area outside
of his actual research area, are worth only as much as the evidence and
arguments he presents.
It is his contribution to countering the
creationist argument that the fossil record is too patchy to support the theory
of evolution.
Additionally, this ID /
creationist argument fails in light
of clear examples
of common forms with discrete evolutionary lineages and accompanying discrete genetic const - itutions (e.g. new world v. old world vultures, etc).
This whole
argument between
creationists and evolutionists is equivilant to a group
of ignorant children / teenagers arguing with fully grown, educated adults.
As a bonus, this research undermines
creationist arguments about the impossibility
of large - scale evolutionary changes.
The outcome rests with the Texas State Board
of Education, whose 15 members will decide in November whether to accept newly drafted biology textbooks, which may contain
creationist arguments.
Collins easily dismantles the shrillest
arguments of the
creationists, stressing that religion is too important to be based on fuzzy thinking.
[Box 26] AAAS and Congress, lobbying, 1959 - 1987 Congress, 1986 Arctic, 1981 Legislative Branch, 1981 - 1984 Executive Branch, pre-1985 OMB Circular, 1983 Science Policy: A Working Glossary, 1978 Science Policy Task Force Congressional Research Service, 1986 Environmental Protection Agency House Committee on Science and Technology, 1986 Office
of Management and Budget Office
of Science and Technology Policy, 1982 Office
of Technology Assessment, 1980 Senate State Department (2 Folders) AAAS Science, Engineering, and Diplomacy Fellows, Lunch and Orientation, 1983 Tax Bills, 1981 Edwards vs Aguilard, Louisiana
Creationist Suit, 1986 Edwards vs Aguilard, NAS amicus brief Edwards vs Aguilard, People for the American Way amicus brief Edwards vs Aguilard, Supreme Court
arguments Hutchinson vs. Proxmire, amicus brief, 1978 Southeastern College vs. Frances Davis, amicus brief, 1979 State Department, 1976 - 1984 Human Subjects Research, 1979 Controversy over Inhaber Article in Science, 1979 Three Mile Island, 1979 Federal appropriations, universities and pork barrel projects
The problem
of non-ancestral «ancestors», by Jim Moore (discusses the common
creationist argument that H. habilis is not a valid species)
Its worldwide circulation, broad scope and Young Earth Creation Science
Argument Index The purpose
of this index is to list all the claims
of young earth
creationists, and provide
Plus evidence for a much younger Young Earth Creation Science
Argument Index The purpose
of this index is to list all the claims
of young earth
creationists, and provide
Refuting a Popular
Argument by Old - Earth Geologists Gregg Davidson and Ken Wolgemuth Large annotated directory
of internet resources on radiocarbon and other radioactive dating methods, including
creationists» views and scientific critiques
Wolf Walker The opening paragraphs
of this article give me the same tingling - down - the - back -
of the - neck feeling as those
creationist arguments about thermodynamics.
Design
argument creationist folk compute the improbability
of the world or a thing, but evolutionist's retort they never compute the improbability
of a creator plus the world which must always be lower but for some kind
of (I personally believe magical) discounting
of the improbability
of a creator.
The energy, time, and resources that some
creationists put into this endeavor is astounding, resulting in a mountain
of false claims, half - truths, misdirections, unsound
arguments, and misinterpretations.
The models have failed and comparing my
arguments with the
Creationists is a nasty tactic and typical
of you true believers.
A
creationist commenter on a post
of mine discussing lame
creationist arguments first admitted that he did not actually read my post, and then began to repeat the same tired
creationists lies and logical fallacies we hear over and over again.
Once again you sidestep any examination
of the criticisms to see whether or not they are warranted or even asking someone how they arrived at a given conclusion or what justification they have for a given premise and claim, based upon an
argument from incredulity which is common, for example, in
creationist literature to the effect
of, «I can't believe that there is a natural explanation for the origin
of the eye, therefore the origin
of the eye must be supernatural.»
During a debate that I spectated last year, Plimer's mode
of argument reminded me very strongly
of strategies employed by
creationist advocates.
The Orwellian - named «Discovery Institute» is an organization dedicated to the promotion
of Intelligent Design (ID), which is little more than a superficial repackaging
of long - discredited
creationist arguments against evolutionary theory.They do not have a legitimate scientific program, although they desperately try to create the impression that they do.