Once we are saved, we suffer temporal consequences and loss
of eternal rewards for our sins.
I rejected the teaching
of eternal rewards after holding the GES position for many years.
If in our terms, Job is now an emperor or has received some other type
of eternal rewards for suffering temporally, and he is pleased with the result, who are we to say not fair?
I've decided that I'll be good and do what is right for the sake of goodness and not because of the fear of eternal damnation or the anticipation
of an eternal reward that does not exist.
This bears directly on the question of subjective immortality and the prospect
of eternal reward or punishment.
There is the benefit
of eternal reward.
They are wrong who claim that in Luke's Gospel a promise
of eternal reward contaminates an injunction to unilateral giving.
Having reduced my perception of God and his purpose to the bare essence without any theosophical definition and having renounced any expectation
of an eternal reward with any connection to my current mode of existence, is my affirmation of a supreme being and a supreme purpose meaningful?
there are theists who have abandoned the concept
of eternal reward / damnation.
Instead, there are consequences in this life (loss of relationships with others, loss of health, even loss of life), and consequences at the Judgment Seat of Christ where we experience shame and loss
of eternal reward (this is what Paul is talking about in 2 Corinthians 5:10).
It was such an honor, such a sacrifice, such a guarantee
of eternal reward, that they seemed to do anything in their power to get killed for their faith.
Not exact matches
Their deaths are supposed be
rewarded with an
eternal visit to Valhalla, the heavenly place that is a central aspect
of both Norse and War Boy mythology.
They move chunks
of information around in ways nothing else can — as payloads that convey intolerance, suppression
of ideas and opinions, even violence at times, and persecution
of dissenters, all with the weight behind it
of an all - powerful God and it's
eternal rewards and punishments that are conveniently hidden in an unknowable afterlife.
Ezekiel Garragut imagines God as a fierce force rather like himself, a dark diviner
of souls who delights less in
rewarding the pure with bliss
eternal than in sinking sinners in an excremental hell.
Craig that was exactly my understanding however if we believe that in that traditional sense a person could lose there
eternal life by there actions by not walking in the Lord which i do nt think is right as
eternal life is a free gift from God not based on works.Jeremys definition is that we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ to
eternal life.I believe the term salvation has the meaning to be saved not necesarily to
eternal life but saved from ourselves Christ gives us the power to be transformed into his likeness or to be Christ like.In the
eternal picture our actions determine how we are
rewarded from God although its not the motivation
of the
reward but because we love the Lord.regards brent
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Moses committed a particularly public sin (not unbelief) which caused him to lose that physical
reward of crossing into Canaan, but not his
eternal one.
I believe that when I die, if I've given them enough
of my power through prayer to help keep them immortal, then one day, maybe I'll
rewarded with an
eternal home at the foot
of Mt Olympus, where I can be close to the father
of other gods, Zeus, and all the medium and lower gods.
Moses prefered the fellowship
of God's people against the pleasure
of sin because he was looking at the
eternal reward (
eternal dwelling in God's City).
On the other hand, there were other men who disagreed: Tertullian, who believed that the soul would live on forever, that the wicked would suffer misery in proportion to the righteous»
reward; St. Augustine, who came up with the doctrines
of Original Sin and Predestination (some would be saved, the rest would be damned); and Jerome, who would end up retranslating the Latin Bible into what would become the Latin Vulgate and would twist various scriptures that talked about eonian chastening into teaching
eternal torment.
1) That in no way addresses my post 2) I don't believe in sin 3)
Eternal condemnation for a finitie «sin» is an unjust and immoral system, as is eternal reward for holding a specific belief instead of a totality of actions taken, and the innermost part of a humans mo
Eternal condemnation for a finitie «sin» is an unjust and immoral system, as is
eternal reward for holding a specific belief instead of a totality of actions taken, and the innermost part of a humans mo
eternal reward for holding a specific belief instead
of a totality
of actions taken, and the innermost part
of a humans morality.
I think they have a good grasp on what the Bible teaches about
eternal life, the «gospel,» the word «saved,» and the difference between
eternal reward and the gift
of eternal life.
Yes, there is something to be said about the Judgment Seat
of Christ and the works
of the believers for
eternal rewards.
When you read in the Bible about proclaiming Jesus as Lord, following Jesus, taking up your cross,
eternal reward, inheriting the Kingdom, life in the Spirit, faithful living, and on and on and on, the author who wrote that text was primarily thinking
of how we should live as followers
of Jesus so that we can experience the life God meant for us to live.
Again, this is not
eternal life, but is the prize or the
reward of living life for Jesus, which has benefits here and now and benefits for all eternity.
Those who either Love and / or Fear GOD or even the Gods; being GOD's Sons, they will be found out and given their just treats and / or
rewards in the abundancies
of ever lasting multi-diversities
of incarnations into the foreverness realms
of eternal inwardness.
He needs our view on salvation, wrath, and
eternal rewards, and our case might be strengthened with his view
of justification, while avoiding the mistakes he makes about works following faith... though really, his point about works is that they follow faith in the Holy Spirit... which is different, and which I could probably agree with.
Like you, I am not completely happy with his treatement
of good works following faith,
eternal rewards, and the terms «salvation» and «wrath.»
But we know from the rest
of Scripture that becoming a son
of the Most High is not a
reward, but is one
of the gifts that comes with
eternal life.
You don't know whether it is real big or real small, whether it even has awareness
of its offshoot (the universe), whether it has wants and needs and demands, that it has love and hate, benevolence and wrath, the power to
reward eternal happiness.
For as the Church prays, the sufferings we endure, if taken to Christ in the Sacrament designed for forgiveness, can bring us «increase
of grace and the
reward of eternal life», or, quoting from St Vincent de Paul, «the throne
of God's mercy isset on my wretchedness».
Craig i thought what you wrote was really good and agree with you.Enduring to the end is not that the person hasnt already received
eternal life by faith in Jesus Christ as once done that is a done deal.Enduring to the end is to encourage those who are persecuted to keep believing in Christ and do nt lose there faith and trust in God and to be strong in the faith.In doing so they will get there
reward from the Lord because they trusted him more than the fear
of death.They overcame them there persecuters with love for the Lord that is true courage.brentnz
In the world
of the practical, God is loved for the sake
of one's self, for the self's purposes, and for the yield
of this relation in the
reward of eternal life.
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1) that
eternal life given on the basis
of faith alone, in Christ alone, apart from works; 2) that
eternal security is part
of the gift
of eternal life; 3) that assurance
of salvation is through faith in Christ's promise
of eternal life, and not by looking at one's own works 4) Christians can apostatize in this life, and are still eternally secure 5)
eternal rewards are earned by faithful works, and lost by unfaithfulness 6) unlimited atonement 7) free - will to respond to God's drawing or not
Is it possible and after reading about it i kept on thinking «i will sell to my soul for 20 carats get out shut up i will never ever sell my soul to you oh god please help me and this is continuing for a few days i am afraid that i have sold my sold to the devil have i please help and still i think god's way
of allowing others to hate him us much worse even you know and can easily think think about much better punishments like rebirth after being punished for all the sins in life and i am feeling put on the sin
of those who committed the unforgiviable sin (the early 0th century priests) imagine them burning in hell fire till now for 2000 years hopelessly screaming to god for help i can't belive the mercy
of god are they forgiven even though commiting this sin keans going to hell for entinity thank you and congralutions i think the 7 year tribulation periodvis over in 18th century the great commect shooting and in 19th century the sun became dark for a day and moon was not visible on the earth but now satun has the domination over me those who don't belive in jesus crist i used to belive in him but now after knowing a lot in science it is getting harharder to belive in him even though i know that he exsists and i only belived in him not that he died for me in the cross and also not for
eternal life and i still sin as much as i used to before but only a little reduced and i didn't accept satan as my master but what can i do because those who knowingly sin a lot and don't belive in jesus christ has to accept satan as their master because he only teaches us that even though he is evil he gives us complete freedom but thr followers
of jesus and god only have freedom because they can sin only with in a limit and no more but recive their
reward after their life in heaven but the followers
of satun have to go to hell butbi don't want to go to hell and be ruled by the cruel tryant but still why didn't god destroy satun long way before and i think it was also Adam and eve's fault also they could have blamed satan and could have also get their punishment reduced but they didn't and today we are seeing the result
Lutherans speak
of «growth in grace and faith,» with effects in Christian living;
eternal life is, biblically speaking, «unmerited «
reward,»» a fulfillment
of God's promise to the believer.
Entrance into heaven itself is freely given to all who believe in Jesus for
eternal life, but the
rewards and riches
of heaven are reserved for faithful Christians who put heavenly riches above earthly pleasures.
This enormously transforms his perspective upon the present life, less through hope
of future
reward or fear
of punishment than through a sense
of the enhanced worthfulness
of the present as preparatory to
eternal life in the presence
of God.
So if people think that when the Bible talks about
reward, it is actually referring to
eternal life, it is no wonder that people get confused about how to receive the free gift
of eternal life.
Such men are in a state
of freedom, because they have lost the fear
of pain or hell, and the hope
of reward or heaven, and are living in pure submission to the
eternal Goodness, in the perfect freedom
of fervent love.
As we journey on to the final rejoicing, we fix our eyes on the joy set before us — a place where there is no more weeping or tears, where our
eternal reward awaits (Matthew 5:12) and our names are written in the book
of life (Luke 10:20).
Therefore, having earned a
reward by his sacrificial death, we can avail ourselves
of the
eternal salvation he has merited.
The worse
eternal reward I'd miss for eternity is not seeing my own children in Heaven with me because
of my hypocritical walk once having professed my faith to them.
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It is said that for the finite investment
of just sacrificing a bit
of critical thinking, believing some doctrine, and giving and doing some particular things, you will get an
eternal reward in an afterlife.
It would be more realistic if we would practice our «faith» by getting out
of the «holy temple» and stoping crimes, injustice, death, famine, hunger, child molestation, etc, that we are all witness to but because there is no promise for individual
reward of a
eternal paradise accompanied with the beautiful scenery with candles and dim lights with magnificent ceilings and mosaics, we turn away from the real cruelty
of our world and our specie.
Gil you have asked some very good questions why does bad things happen in the world i personally do nt know God did nt explain to Job either why he had to suffer.What i do know is that God desires that none
of us should perish but that all would have
eternal life in him through Jesus Christ.This world will one day pass away and the real world will be reborn so our focus as christians is on whats to come and being a witness in the here and now.Both good and bad happens to either the righteous or the sinner so what are we to make
of that.What we do know is that God will set all things right at the appointed time the wicked will be judged and the righteous will be
rewarded for there faith isnt that enough reason for us to believe.Free will is only a reality if we can choose between good and bad but our hearts are deceitfully wicked we naturally are inclined toward sin that is another reason whyt we need to be saved from ourselves so what are we to do.For me Christ died and rose again that is a fact witnessed by over 500 people that were alive at the time and was recorded by historians how many other religious leaders do you know that did that or did the miracles that Jesus did.As far as the bible is concerned much
of the archelogical evidence has proven to be correct and many
of prophetic words spoken many hundreds
of years ago have come to pass including both the birth and the death
of Jesus.Interested in what philosophy you are believing in if other than a faith in Jesus Christ so how does that philosophy give you the assurance that you are saved.Its really simple with christianity we just have to believe in Jesus Christ.brentnz
And
of course since atheism is Absolute, Complete and Total NONSENSE, the atheists lacks the certainty in a Resurrection, in
Eternal Rewards in Heaven and
Eternal Punishment in the other Place that IS NOT Heaven.
As we look at this parable
of Jesus, remember that
eternal life is given freely to all who believe in Jesus Christ for it, but
rewards are given as wages or payment to those who faithful serve Christ during their life.