The account of the players and theories in the field
of human evolution does highlight how much of the debate involves mere name games, with lumpers and splitters arguing ad nauseam about the same few specimens widely scattered through space and time.
The task, for example, of grafting the history of salvation onto to the phylogenetic tree
of human evolution does not belong to the teaching office of the Church.
Not exact matches
You're talking about the type
of «
evolution» that we always knew existed and to make matters worse you're bragging about the advancements made by INTELLIGENT
HUMAN BEINGS which still don't even come close to the complication
of macro
evolution but still required thousands
of years
of scientific advancement and knowledge and a team
of researchers with high iq's working aroudn the clock with microscopes.
It is part and parcel
of Ham's argument that it was 6, 24 - hour days, that god
did this 6,000 365 - day - years ago, that
humans did not evolve /
evolution does not take place.
Atheists aren't innocent either: eugenics, the belief that certain races
do not deserve to live because they could hinder the
evolution of the
human species.
The concept
of God
did not spring out
of thin air - intelligent
humans created him and then thousands
of years later used the idea to explain what they
did not understand and / or like about
evolution.
Technophobe,: Christians, Muslims and Jews
do believe in micro-
evolution (the
evolution inside species) but none
of these religions believe in evolutionist macro
evolution, the
evolution of organisms changing species (ie, fish turning into reptiles, then turning to
humans)
I don't have to use my imagination to know that we have endless evidence showing the
evolution of many types
of species, including
humans.
But I want to respond to people throwing out examples such as: The
human body is too complex to have formed from
evolution or where
did the universe come from, both must have come from god because none
of you can explain it.
How
do Adam and Eve relate to what we have learned about the
evolution of modern
humans from Australopithecus afarensis and Homo habilis?
Most importantly, note this: I am a Christian, I'm gay, I'm a recovering alcoholic, I believe in
Evolution, I believe the universe is 13 billion years old and that the Earth is 4.5 or so billion years old, I believe man evolved from lower primates and that Adam was the first man who God gave a soul and sentience, I
do not believe in hell but I
do believe in Satan, I
do not believe the Bible is a book
of rules meant to imprison man or condemn him but that it is rather a «
Human Existence for Dummies» guide, I believe Christ was the son
of God but I
do not believe Christianity is the only «valid» religion, I
do not believe atheists will go to hell, while the English Bible says God should be feared, the Hebrew word used for fear, «yara», such as that used in the Book
of Job, actually means respect / reverence, not fear as one would fear death or a spider.
Of course the sequencing is not quite right, because the poem was written / inspired (take your pick) before science
did its work.But the intuitive observer could see a clear
evolution form plants to animals to
human life, with continuities and differentiations.
Let me help Nathan out a bit... Christ, if you are a medical student as still think that the theory
of evolution claims that the
human body happened «randomly,» please leave school now and
do not endanger people's lives.
actually you
do nt have to prove the many deities or Gods that they really exist, because they really had existed in their times, They are part
of the evolutionary process for us
humans to transcend to higher consciousness.To simplify the analogy, when we were young and we are in the lower grade school, we were taught simple subjects not advance literatures but simple stories even mythicals, The same with religion, thousands
of years ago when there was no science yet, primitive people had a religion,
of course man made faiths to conform with their state
of mind or intellect.But later atfter thousands
of years we evolve into a more educated people and so new concept
of God again was presented to them, another man made concept, and this go on and on, until a few thiousand years ago.monotheism, Judaism, christianity, islam, buddhism, etc also evolved, But with the accelerated
evolution, these faith again is threatend with obsolesencs because
of of scientific developments and education.In panthroteistic faith, the future religion needs to conform to evolutionary process, This proves that God is always there guiding the change.And it his will that made this a reality in history since the begining
of the universe 13 billion years ago, and this will continue to exist until He will completely fulfill His will to infinity, Thats PANTHROTHEISM, the futue, man made religion under His guidance through scientifiic evoluition after the Bi Bang
Yeah but they want to teach the controversy... you know, how the earth might be only 10,000 years old (no it isn't) and that
humans and dinosaurs roamed the earth together (no they didn't) and that
evolution has no evidence (yes it
does) or that there was a global flood (no there wasn't) or that the earth might be flat or the center
of the universe or a million other wrong headed theories that fly in the face
of the evidence.
(Answers: 1) because they lived and died millions
of years before
humans and extant forms; 2) because
humans and dinosaurs never coexisted; 3) this simply didn't happen, but the creationist response is apparently, and ironically, «hyper -
evolution» from severely bottle - necked gene pools; and 4) because we share a common ancestor with egg - laying organisms)
Of course we know that this
evolution was promoted by
humans but it doesn't really matter.
It
does make possible a quantum jump in the degree to which humankind can take control
of the evolutionary process, including the
evolution of human beings.
Organisms with a spine
do not automatically become
human,
human isn't the goal
of vertebrate
evolution.
What I'm really going to
do is to rid the gene pool
of its 10,000 worst contributors, in an effort to speed up the
evolution of the
human race (yes: I made the system automatic, so that I didn't have to bother diddling with it at every moment: Darwin was right, but the process turned out slower than I expected, and I got bored, hence the urge to speed things up a tad).
For Bergson, like many process thinkers (Peirce, James and Dewey come particularly to mind), the entire concept
of «necessity» only makes sense when applied internally to abstractions the intellect has already devised.11 Of course, one can tell an evolutionary story about how the human intellect came to be a separable function of consciousness that emphasizes abstraction (indeed, that is what Bergson does in Creative Evolution), but if one were to say that the course of development described in that story had to occur (i.e., necessarily) as it did, then one would be very far from Bergson's view (CE 218, 236, 270
of «necessity» only makes sense when applied internally to abstractions the intellect has already devised.11
Of course, one can tell an evolutionary story about how the human intellect came to be a separable function of consciousness that emphasizes abstraction (indeed, that is what Bergson does in Creative Evolution), but if one were to say that the course of development described in that story had to occur (i.e., necessarily) as it did, then one would be very far from Bergson's view (CE 218, 236, 270
Of course, one can tell an evolutionary story about how the
human intellect came to be a separable function
of consciousness that emphasizes abstraction (indeed, that is what Bergson does in Creative Evolution), but if one were to say that the course of development described in that story had to occur (i.e., necessarily) as it did, then one would be very far from Bergson's view (CE 218, 236, 270
of consciousness that emphasizes abstraction (indeed, that is what Bergson
does in Creative
Evolution), but if one were to say that the course
of development described in that story had to occur (i.e., necessarily) as it did, then one would be very far from Bergson's view (CE 218, 236, 270
of development described in that story had to occur (i.e., necessarily) as it
did, then one would be very far from Bergson's view (CE 218, 236, 270).
As reason sets
human beings apart from all other animals, it seems that our rational nature can not be explained by
evolution alone, for we
do not find stages
of lesser reflective selfconsciousness before the
human species but
evolution requires only gradual changes at a time.
The
Evolution of Adam: What the Bible
Does and Doesn't Say About
Human Origins by Peter Enns — This book came along and just the right time for me.
The onward drive
of «
Evolution'therefore,
does not lie in material mutation, nor in any fundamental change to
human nature and its laws
of good and true.
Oh, next time I go to the zoo, I'll say HI to some
of your relatives that didn't evolve Mr. Catholic Christian believing in «An evolving creation»; where the principles
of biological and social
evolution are indeed part
of the design
of an intelligent creator who is NOT all powerful and not «NICE» in the
Human context, but «benevolent» at a cosmic scale.
The term moderate
evolution might therefore be applied to a theory which simply inquires into the biological reality
of man in accordance with the formal object
of the biological sciences as defined by their methods and which affirms a real genetic connection between that
human biological reality and the animal kingdom, but which also in accordance with the fundamental methodological principles
of those sciences, can not and
does not attempt to assert that it has made a statement adequate to the whole reality
of man and to the origin
of this whole reality.
The
Evolution of Adam: What the Bible
Does and Doesn't Say About
Human Origins by Peter Enns (see my review)
To get a proper and adequate understanding
of human freedom, one has to see man in the total context
of evolution, for freedom
did not start with man; it had its evolutionary roots at the infrahuman level.
I maintained that, contrary to the commonly expressed or tacitly accepted view, the era
of active
evolution did not end with the appearance
of the
human zoological type: for by virtue
of his acquirement
of the gift
of individual reflection Man displays the extraordinary quality
of being able to totalize himself collectively upon himself, thus extending on a planetary scale the fundamental vital process which causes matter, under Certain conditions, to organize itself in elements which are ever more complex physically, and psychologically ever more centrated.
How come we still have monkey's... I guess they
do not get CNN saying they have evolved... The only solution is that gay marriage will pass and everyone becomes gay and that will solve the problem
of the
evolution atheist debate since the
human race will be extinct.
But it is here, in my view, that the importance becomes manifest
of an intuitive notion which, timidly evolved less than fifty years ago by a small group
of human minds, is now beginning to pervade twentieth century thought as rapidly as
did the idea
of evolution in the nineteenth century.
Has nothing to
do with actual fossils that demonstrate an
evolution of a single species over time; whether dogs, cats, monkeys, birds, or
humans.
We
do not deny or circumscribe the Creator, because we hold he has created the self - acting originating
human mind, which has almost a creative gift; much less then
do we deny or circumscribe His power, if we hold that He gave matter such laws as by their blind instrumentality moulded and constructed through innumerable ages the world as we see it... Mr Darwin's theory need not then be atheistical, be it true or not; it may simply be suggesting a larger idea
of Divine Prescience and Skill... At first sight I
do not see that «the accidental
evolution or organic beings» is inconsistent with divine design - It is accidental to us, not to God.»
The
Evolution of Adam: What the Bible
does and doesn't say about
human origins By Peter Enns.
Generis: «For these reasons the Teaching Authority
of the Church
does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state
of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part
of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine
of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin
of the
human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter - for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God» [italics added].
If it is true that, bound by the collective interaction
of its liberties, the
human social group can not escape from certain irreversible laws
of evolution,
does this mean that, observed along its axis
of «greatest complexity» (i.e. increasing liberty) the World is coiling upon itself with as much sureness as it is in other respects radiating outwards and explosively expanding?
Since
humans are the product
of evolution, Adam and Eve
did not exist.
We are the latest dominant emergent in the earth's
evolution, and so all that we
humans do and think and say is relevant for our understanding
of the cosmos out
of which we evolved.
now, you can try and try to show that indeed, no intelligent person
does nt believe in
evolution as you have defined it, namely necessarily excluding any external entity To which I would simply point to the scores
of scientists who believe in ID / Theistic
evolution, also including Francis Collins the leader
of the
Human Genome Project and the author
of «The Language
of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief»
Yes, something quite amazing happened in the case
of the
evolution of humans, but that doesn't mean that we didn't in fact evolved from the same animals other modern primates evolved from.
Certainly consciousness
does not exist at the level
of atoms and electrons, nor
does reflective self - awareness seem to appear in
evolution until the
human species comes onto the scene.
Amen.The thing is too many people from both sides try to disprove the other, Scientist (well some) will say there is no God Ala Hawkings here and then some believers will say that
evolution or anything pertaining to science that they don't understand is false.I don't believe that science and God are mutually exclusive.For me personally science helps to explain a lot
of things regarding creation, almost like giving me a window into how creative God is.I believe that God uses science to show us how awesome he is.To me science
does not disprove Gods existence it actually reaffirms it on a
human logic level, for me.You may disagree, that's fine, but this is just how I see it.
Atheists keep trying to apply scientifc rules
of evidence where they don't belong — to matters
of human affairs — yet are perfectly content to throw away the same rules when it suits their purposes (e.g.,
evolution).
Pope Pius XII declared that «the teaching authority
of the Church
does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state
of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions... take place with regard to the doctrine
of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin
of the
human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter --[but] the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God» (Pius XII, Humani Generis 36)»
You can
do so much better than to resort to such stock canards as «If
humans evolved from monkeys when you know full well what the theory
of evolution says regarding the multiple species
of primates.
As far as
human beings are concerned,
evolution does not have to be the only logical explanation as it should not be beyond the capacity
of God to design and create them without
evolution.
why don't you start with why
humans invented religion in the first place, the origins
of the books
of the bible, the multiple «christ» (copied) stories throughout the history
of time, fossil evidence
of evolution of man and all species, all the discrepancies in the bible, knowledge
of all the gods that
humans have believed in through recorded history, the political uses
of christianity in the time
of it's origin, the fact that every other religion has followers who believe just as strongly in their own god / book, that fact that if you had been born in another part
of the world you would be a different religion and going to «hell», and that a good, kind, omniscient god wouldn't allow all the suffering and evil to happen, and wouldn't need «help» as christians like to tout... and then we'll get to all these ridiculous fools.
There's some great research being
done on the topic
of evolution, especially the claim that there are only so many differences between other primates and
humans genomes (I don't remember the exact number).
Those who
do not want to believe in
evolution do not have to, but it is inconsistent for religious persons to believe that any aspect
of the
human body whatsoever is perfect, even if it was designed without any
evolution at work.
As
does the struggle to understand hundreds
of other deep topics related to the
human mind, the history
of life and the
evolution of our cosmos.