The inertia
of ice sheet dynamics is the third.
What is new, and newsworthy, is that the extensive system of liquid water under the ice may provide a better understanding
of ice sheet dynamics:
WRT our current discussion
of ice sheet dynamics, the latest IPCC report actually has * less * to offer in terms of icesheet change predictions precisely because there have been so many new findings and such dramatic changes in just the last few years.
Glacials and interglacials are the result largely
of ice sheet dynamics.
As I said, we don't have a good understanding
of the ice sheet dynamics, and what you say is plausible at first sight.
Recent evidence (e.g. as reviewed by us a few months back) suggests that the demise of large parts of the major ice sheets could potentially take place far faster — on timescales of perhaps several centuries — due to the influence
of ice sheet dynamics.
And it is inspiring to see such progress being made in the detail with which models
of ice sheet dynamics and other forms of change can be applied to the moderately far future.
Chuck Booth wrote: «The existence of lakes beneath Antarctic ice is nothing new — this has been known for decades... What is new, and newsworthy, is that the extensive system of liquid water under the ice may provide a better understanding
of ice sheet dynamics»
What is new, and newsworthy, is that the extensive system of liquid water under the ice may provide a better understanding
of ice sheet dynamics:
Not exact matches
The U.S. team is one
of three international groups that sought to penetrate Antarctica's subglacial waters in the past month, seeking clues not only to glacial microbiology but also to
ice sheet dynamics and the impact
of climate change on the continent.
Rising sea levels are certain in a warming world, but there is still substantial uncertainty about the extent
of the increase in this century, mainly because the
dynamics that could erode the
ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica remain poorly understood.
«The strong impact
of ocean onto Antarctic
ice sheet dynamics, or the knowledge that we have about it, is reinforced by our study,» said lead study author Hannes Konrad
of the University
of Leeds in an interview with E&E News.
«The past behavior and
dynamics of the Antarctic
ice sheets are among the most important open questions in the scientific understanding
of how the polar regions help to regulate global climate,» said Jennifer Burns, director
of the NSF Antarctic Integrated Science System Program.
Because
of internal
ice -
sheet dynamics, it has lost about 50 per...
The researchers used a range
of data
of other
ice sheet dynamics, like snowfall and surface velocity
of ice, to create a more detailed overview
of Greenland's topography.
What is alarming is that the volume
of water and the extent and rapidity
of its movement is suprisingly much greater than previously believed, and that a possible, perhaps likely, effect
of this on
ice sheet dynamics is to make the
ice sheets less stable and more likely to respond more quickly to global warming than previously expected.
Focus
of Study I am a geophysicist interested in the
dynamics of tectonic processes that cause earthquakes and build mountains and the geodynamics
of solid earth -
ice sheet interactions.
It's interesting to note that most
of these elements include physics that modellers are least confident about — hydrology,
ice sheets and vegetation
dynamics.
Huybrechts, P., 2002: Sea - level changes at the LGM from
ice -
dynamics reconstructions
of the Greenland and Antarctic
ice sheets during the glacial cycles.
Dan, I know virtually nothing about
ice sheet dynamics but even I can understand that, even assuming no lubrification or sliding at the base, lateral
ice flow is not going to be caused by the weight
of the
ice at the center.
the idea
of sea - level influence on
ice sheet dynamics is not new, but as you indicate, references are not easily googleable.
Few AOGCMs include
ice sheet dynamics; in all
of the AOGCMs evaluated in this chapter and used in Chapter 10 for projecting climate change in the 21st century, the land
ice cover is prescribed.
Currently, the major focus
of this thread is on reconstructing past sea - level changes and understanding the implications
of these changes for
ice -
sheet stability and for ocean
dynamics.
The latter is almost linearly related to changes in
ice sheet volume; the former, however, is influenced by a range
of factors, including atmosphere / ocean
dynamics and changes in Earth's gravitational field, rotation, and crustal and the mantle deformation associated with the redistribution
of mass between land
ice and the ocean.
If
ice sheet disintegration reaches a point such that the
dynamics and momentum
of the process take over, at that point reducing greenhouse gases may be unable to prevent major
ice sheet mass loss, sea level rise
of many meters, and worldwide loss
of coastal cities — a consequence that is irreversible for practical purposes.
The
dynamics of large
of sheets is
of course a possible unknown, but no one has yet be able to come up with a * mechanism * for 5 m
of sea level rise in 100 years given current
ice sheet configurations.
I (and others) have been perplexed for years why so many in the
ice sheet dynamics community have resorted to re-inventing the wheel (as a square) rather than avail themselves
of this literature — it's not obscure.
But on the scale
of decades to a century, the
dynamics of ice sheets whose disintegration would determine that outcome remain beyond clear human understanding.
Among the
ice sheet dynamics to fret about I see this change in the temperature
of the
ice from say -30 C to
ice - at - 0C and the subsequent uptake
of the heat to go from
ice - at - 0C to water - at - 0C as the «dark matter»
of the cryosphere.
You should call some Floridians or Louisianans and ask them: would you care if melting
ice on Greenland or West Antarctica submerges more than half
of your state even if it wouldn't occur for another 100 to 1,000 years (there's a lot we don't know about
ice sheet dynamics).
Chris Mooney has filed a nice Washington Post piece on
ice sheet dynamics and several ways to visualize the most common unit
of what's moving to the sea — gigatons (each a billion tons):
That said, I think the impact
of this 50 - yr time scale warming on the
dynamics of the West Antarctic
ice sheet will manifest only in the distant future.
Chris Mooney has filed a nice Washington Post piece on
ice sheet dynamics and several ways to visualize the most common unit
of what's moving to the sea — gigatons (each a billion tons): Read more...
Further to Aaron's post in # 15, if the current generation
of GCM's do not properly include
ice sheet dynamics and interactions with the oceans etc, are not the pdf's and their moments compromised and if so to what extent?
There will be some clear failures where there are reasons to suspect that some
of the (up to now) excluded physics is dominant (i.e. Heinrich events that rely on
ice sheet dynamics), but pretty much everything else is fair game — as long
of course there is a good hypothesis to test.
• Thorough understanding
of the physics and
dynamics of the Greenland and Antarctic
ice sheets, with a view to predicting sea level rise within 20 % for a specified change in climate over the
ice sheets....»
New research on the
dynamics of Greenland's
ice sheets complicates efforts to forecast sea level rise in this century, as the Green Blog reports.
Efforts to identify real nonlinear thresholds seem mired in uncertainty and incomplete characterization
of things like
ice -
sheet dynamics.
These processes are still far from perfectly understood, because they require a representation
of the fairly complicated rheology involved in
ice sheet dynamics.
One persistent issue is the
dynamics of ice sheets.
The biggest change is that
ice sheet dynamics look more uncertain now than at the time
of the TAR, which is why this uncertainty is not included any more in the cited range but discussed separately in the text.
The people giving presentations, who know
ice as well as anyone, made a clear case not only that we have little understanding
of ice dynamics, but that (as one
of them put it) the main sources
of uncertainty in the models are all in the direction
of underestimation
of the sensitivity
of ice sheets to a temperature rise.
The models we have for
ice sheet dynamics are quite new, and we have no way
of testing them.
And the Hansen - size projections are the least certain
of all (with irreducible uncertainty on relevant time scales, given the complexities
of ice -
sheet dynamics.)
but when you get around to looking at that interminable thread, you'll find that most
of what people were arguing about wasn't in the territory
of things like
ice sheet dynamics where reasonable people could differ about the science.
With the IPCC previously «taking a pass», in its assessment
of Greenland's contribution to sea - level rise - due to poor understanding
of how
ice sheets would respond to global warming back in 2007 - this new paper is an important first stab at pinning down the slippery mechanisms
of «
ice sheet dynamics».
Together with the University
of Alaska, PIK develops the Parallel
Ice Sheet Model (PISM), an innovative computer model of continental ice sheet dynami
Ice Sheet Model (PISM), an innovative computer model of continental ice sheet dyna
Sheet Model (PISM), an innovative computer model
of continental
ice sheet dynami
ice sheet dyna
sheet dynamics.
Prediction Continued improvements in modeling decadal - scale
dynamics — and longer, when
ice -
sheet and deep - ocean
dynamics are included — will continue to affirm the multi-decade arc
of strong climate science that concludes «Hansen's worldview is right.»
Until now, though, most
of the focus has been on
ice sheet dynamics — how quickly Greenland's glaciers are flowing into the sea.
Marine sediment record from the East Antarctic margin reveals
dynamics of ice sheet recession.