I would also love to know if there are any stats anywhere that show what %
of trad published debut authors go on to get another deal after their initial deal.
An increasing number
of trad published authors are reporting little or no promotional help... basically the publisher requires the author already have a proven following before even signing them up... and then hands them a to - do list that basically is things for the author, rather than the publisher, to do.
Vinjamuri asked some indie authors to respond to the egocentric disdain
of the trad published for indies.
The first need dies away as all errata are weeded out (and there are plenty
of trad published books with errata that can't be bothered to clean up — I want my books to be better than that).
Although I got into the SF top * 5 * with one
of my trad published novels, and it sure didn't earn $ 18,000 that month.
I read a lot of indie published fiction, and some of it is good; I read a lot
of trad published fiction as well, some of it is great.
If you look at a number
of trad published authors they had pen names for their different genres and now they are moving away from that.
There are plenty
of trad published books that are more boring than watching paint dry or more vapid than a sparkly vampire.
Joel — True and I think a lot
of trad published writers mistakenly thought that they could let the publisher handle things.
1) Can you explain to me the definition
of a trad published book?
The purpose of the post was not to list the benefits
of trad publishing.
A chapter, or two, or even three is what the gatekeepers
of trad publishing usually want to see going in.
The authors in their clutches have been conditioned to believe that all good flows from the font
of trad publishing, so there won't be mass revolt from that front.
Given the realities
of trad publishing, I'd be lucky if my third novel was out already.
Given the «Bad Actors» (a new SJW term for people you don't like — or in my case, trust) in the upper echelons
of the Trad Publishing establishment, who basically have everything to lose if the ship changes direction, I would say impossible.
Well, in his little world
of trad publishing, he's right.
Not exact matches
In terms
of trad pub vs indie — most
trad publishers don't want to
publish collections
of short fiction by unknowns, but you can submit to magazines and anthologies as well as self -
publishing collections or using them for marketing.
Just has a different perspective on the
publishing industry from many indies, and is more used to people having the goal
of a
trad deal.
We asked her a bunch
of questions about what she found in regard to author income, books on sale, and whether indie or
trad publishing is more likely to get a person to a living wage (which she defined as the U.S. average
of $ 32,000 a year).
It doesn't matter that I've made as much on several
of my books as I would with a
trad publishing contract.
Among the 13 (out
of 125 total)
of them reporting incomes
of $ 30,000 or more, 7 listed 2 or more
trad published titles... so I'm thinking maybe they didn't understand the question as I did.
You need to have some selling skills in
trad publishing because you have to convince agents / publishers to take a chance on you, which means mastering the secrets
of the query letter and the elevator pitch.
(Besides fewer dollars per sale, a traditional book has a literal shelf life; once your publisher wants to give that shelf space to their next writer, most
of your book's
trad -
published benefits are * dead * unless you get famous enough to re-impress them, and / or you understand how to get your rights back.
The more we can do to help authors navigate the tricky learning curve
of either self -
publishing or working with agents towards a
trad publishing contract the better!
I came out
of this episode even more determined to avoid agents and
trad publishing.
The truth has always been that most
trad published books are damp squibs (speaking from experience), but self -
publishing has allowed authors to give readers what they want to read instead
of what agents and publishers think they want to read.
Kozlowski is the only person I know oblivious enough to include a graph
of daily ebooks showing indie books making up nearly 50 %
of the US ebook market, and then in the very next paragraph babble about them only being a «drop in the bucket» relative to the
trad -
published side.
Are poets not authors, because books
of poetry typically have low sales, whether self -
published or
trad -
published?
The only people who really make a noise about
trad - vs self -
publishing are those with a vested interest, and those opinions should be taken with a pinch
of salt.
The poor
trad -
published Official Koslowski Authors must be so sad having to share their Goodreads shelf space with the absolute scum
of the Earth.
If book «x» is
trad published and successful enough to sell, let's say, 20,000 books (or whatever, just a number I grabbed at), and book «y» is indy
published and sells the same amount, there is no doubt that the author
of the indy book is going to be FAR better off.
But I will say, last year, out
of the books I read a higher percentage
of the «good» ones (generally) were self -
published... NOT
trad.
Quite frankly, I make more than many
Trad published and I turned DOWN the trad offers because it would slow down the process of writing, interfere with my contact with the fans, cost me money and essentially make me a low paid wage slave for the «honor» of having someone else utterly control my w
Trad published and I turned DOWN the
trad offers because it would slow down the process of writing, interfere with my contact with the fans, cost me money and essentially make me a low paid wage slave for the «honor» of having someone else utterly control my w
trad offers because it would slow down the process
of writing, interfere with my contact with the fans, cost me money and essentially make me a low paid wage slave for the «honor»
of having someone else utterly control my work.
But in the writing community, those
trad publishing credits are absolutely necessary for any kind
of credibility * with other writers *.
So, really, the most successful
trad published writers did a lot
of promo (unless they'd written some sort
of blockbuster) so that they would get their contracts extended.
This is how I sold my first several books and how many
of my
trad - pubbed friends broke in to
publishing and I have long believed it's the best way to make contacts.
Many
of my author friends are
trad published, and I always saw that as a grass - is - greener issue.
Each
of the speakers will outline over 30 minutes, their take on the what's required for success in either the self
publishing or
trad publishing worlds.
So for me to buy more
trad published books than self because I have limited money, not because
of bias, makes logical sense and has NOTHING TO DO WITH BIAS, which obviously your comments were.
One
of the biggest problems with
trad publishing is definitely the timing.
However, we know they're elitists from things they've said in the past about self -
published books being
of lesser quality compared to
trad pub books (how ironic that now
trad pub authors are complaining more about their books having so many typos and problems when printed).
If you wrote and
published just a little bit more and did some
of these as self - pubbed books at a lower price range to go along with your
trad pub deals, I'll bet you could make a lot more.
We actually talk to authors - you see a few blog posts and articles and believe we are at war but the reality is many
of us know
trad published authors - some are happy, some are becoming unhappy, some are in the middle
of lawsuits, some are no longer writing because they couldn't afford to sue and gave up.
They can write in older genres that
trad publishing has tired
of, like Gothic Romance or Family Saga, and make them new again.
While self - publishers face an equally difficult set
of challenges as
trad publishers, this post focuses on the advantages, not the difficulties,
of self -
publishing.
Don't get me wrong, guys — I'm not down on
trad pub, and I'm not one
of the folks saying that «traditional
publishing is doomed».
And hybrid
publishing is also an option; this combines some
of the best elements
of both self - and
trad pubbing.
Especially those
of us who have been with
trad publishing for a while, where the decisions about this stuff were made by other people.
Literary fiction never did well in indie
publishing because it depends on reviews from the big, well known journals like the New Yorker, the NYT book review, the TLS, the Guardian, the NY Review
of Books, etc, and they only review
trad pub.
Have to disagree with some
of the points on
trad publishing though - For the pros you neglected to mention that the publishers distribute your book to all bookstores and e-books sites (hitting two marketing areas) A huge Pro considering most authors are battling to get their book seen and traditional
publishing can do that.