The team found that equilibrium to be similar to levels
of water vapor seen in the local universe.
Not exact matches
If the surface is very cold (below the freezing point
of water) the condensed
water vapor freezes, this is what we
see as frost.
Walter
sees the benefits
of using methane as an energy source as twofold: «Not only does it prevent a potent greenhouse gas from entering the atmosphere by converting it to weaker greenhouse gases —
water vapor and carbon dioxide — but using it on - site would also reduce the demand for other fossil - fuel sources.»
But hot
water vapor in the atmosphere
of brown dwarfs can not be easily
seen from Earth's surface, due to the absorbing effects
of water vapor in our own atmosphere.
Around the south pole
of Enceladus — a 500 - kilometer - wide runt
of a moon many expected to be rather inert and uninteresting — the orbiter
saw tantalizing signs
of activity — plumes
of water vapor venting into space from fissures in the icy surface.
Water vapor seen at these infrared wavelengths is in the upper and middle levels
of the troposphere, where the winds are ruled by large - scale air masses.
«All you can
see is the
water vapor, but you don't know where it comes from,» says Rong Fu, a climate scientist at the University
of California, Los Angeles.
It took Herschel's far - infrared vision to
see, finally, a clear spectral signature
of the
water vapor.
To our surprise, we found we can get as much
water vapor as we
see in our own galaxy,» says astrophysicist Avi Loeb
of the Harvard - Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA).
On a related note, as I listened to NASA's press conference this afternoon, I couldn't help but reimagine Rutger Hauer's famous speech at the end
of «Blade Runner»: «I've
seen things you people wouldn't believe — attack ships on fire off the shoulders
of Orion,
water vapor erupting off the surface
of Europa.»
Any
water (liquid or ice) that close to the Sun would vaporize and be blown by the solar wind to the outer reaches
of the solar system, a as we
see happening with
water vapor in the tails
of comets.
Moreover, for temperatures similar to the present global mean,
water vapor feedback actually cancels out some
of the positive curvature from the fourth - power law (
see Chapter 4
of my book, Principles
of Planetary Climate).
The stratopsheric cooling may be caused by the tropospheric
water vapor (
see figure 3
of http://www.springerlink.com/content/6677gr5lx8421105/fulltext.pdf)-- but in that figure
water vapor is fixed only above sigma = 0.14 (~ 140 hPa), so the cooling may also be caused by the increase in lower stratospheric
water vapor.
This isn't news to top climate scientists around the world (
see Hadley Center: «Catastrophic» 5 — 7 °C warming by 2100 on current emissions path) or even to top climate scientists in this country (
see US Geological Survey stunner: Sea - level rise in 2100 will likely «substantially exceed» IPCC projections, SW faces «permanent drying») and certainly not to people who follow the scientific literature, like Climate Progress readers (
see Study:
Water -
vapor feedback is «strong and positive,» so we face «warming
of several degrees Celsius»).
Some climate scientists
see compelling arguments for accumulating heat and added
water vapor fueling the kinds
of turbulent storms that spawn tornadoes.
We won't ever
see much
of this due to the over abundance
of water vapor.
Note also that under hot conditions a stream
of water vapor may not form clouds, but will instead act as an infrared blanket that amplifies the heat wave (this kind
of heat wave is
seen in California, fed by marine moisture from Baja).
But as we got into autumn, the upper level westerlies really picked up in strength, and you could
see the tops
of incipient TCs getting strongly sheared in the satellite images, with the
water vapor blown aloft to the east
of the cyclone resembling the trial left behind a comet.
First and foremost is I have yet to
see a good discussion on how Global Warming effects your observation
of a Northward movement
of the apparent circulation
of the ITCZ heat energy and
water vapor distribution.
«Arrhenius and Chamberlain
saw in this [variations in carbon dioxide] a cause
of climate changes, but the theory was never widely accepted and was abandoned when it was found that all the long - wave radiation absorbed by CO2 is also absorbed by
water vapor.
(This essay is supplementary to the core essay on The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect For the most important greenhouse gas,
water vapor,
see the essay on Simple Models
of Climate.)
I can certainly
see that SOME CO2 level would do that, but everything I have read so far about Antarctic says that in a somewhat warmer climate, which we will have in Antarctica soon, Antarctic as a whole will get more snowfall, hence more retention
of ice, because warmer air holds more
water vapor, even if the increase in warmth is merely from minus 40 C to minus 35 C.
The record warm sea surface and atmosphere held a never before
seen excess
of water vapor and moisture in suspension — primarily over the Equatorial Ocean zones.
I'm with righwing and find it hard to believe that a major greenhouse gas like
water vapor is at the mercy
of a minor greenhouse gas like CO2 it is much more likely that what ever warming we maybe
see from CO2 gets offset by
water vapor.
This remains to be
seen,
of course, but it's important to point out that the trospospheric amplification prediction does not originate in the models but in the basic physics
of radiative transfer in combination with the Clausius - Clapeyron relationship describing the change in atmospheric
water vapor as a function
of temperature.
I would like to
see the flag idea applied to the fundamental elements
of global warming: co2 forcing,
water vapor forcing, cloud forcing, solar forcing, etc..
A third issue I have with the ICCP is the fact they do not list
water vapor as being a greenhouse gas on their list
of such gases (
see their web site).
One
of the great features
of these systems is that the
water control layer is also the assembly air control layer and
vapor control layer, a.k.a., the «Perfect Roof» (
see BSI - 001: The Perfect Wall).
What they
see are contrails: trails largely made up
of condensed
water vapor.
The latent cooling capacity
of the air conditioner is the amount
of heat absorbed when
water vapor condenses on the evaporator coil (
see photo at right).
I am very skeptical
of the indirect feedback amplification effects put down to CO2 (and
water vapor), which supposedly double or triple the direct effects, don't
see any observation evidence for this and the last 7 years have only firmed my skepticism.
Therefore, we would assume that the relative humidity would be high and the specific humidity (the amount
of water vapor) would be strongly dependent on temperature (
see Part Two).
This snowpack accumulation near the poles, which gets its
water via the Arctic and Antarctic oceans, that in turn rob it from equatorial latitudes
of our oceans, also results in a reduction in the earth's spin axis moment
of inertia and causes the spin rate to increase as evidenced in the recent history
of the rate at which Leap Seconds are added to our calendar (
see Wysmuller's Toucan Equation for more on this evidence that during this warm time with much greater polar humidity, earlier seasonal, later seasonal and heavier snows are beginning to move
water vapor from the oceans to the poles to re-build the polar ice caps and lead us into a global cooling, while man - made CO2 continues to increase http://www.colderside.com/faq.htm).
You can
see that for a given increase in the mixing ratio
of water vapor the most significant effect comes at the top
of the troposphere.
As more
water vapor enters the atmosphere, that in turn absorbs more SW radiation, and, as this recent MIT study has shown, we might actually
see that we have a seemingly paradoxical effect
of the bulk
of the warming then being in the SW, even as net LW actually increases with increasing GH gas levels:
Instead take it as a challenge to intelligently criticize such as this: «If
water vapor amplification was real we should expect to
see [the high temperature] record over an equatorial jungle instead
of a desert.
You can calculate the amount
of water from hydrogen fuel - cells from future automobile usage and compare it with
water vapor from the oceans, trees etc. and
see that it is a trivial amount.
As for your V&V discussion, I don't
see the relevance
of it in this talk, but in the context
of physical science
of climate change we have overwhelming evidence
of model usefulness and verification (
water vapor feedback, simulating the Pinatubo eruption effects, ocean heat content changes, stratospheric cooling, arctic amplification, etc).
see what I wrote above «Or, the kinetic energy
of the
water vapor molecules is carried over into the droplet somehow, but quickly dissipated to the gas molecules via collisions occurring immediately after the condensation?»
One can't arbitrarily choose feedbacks for
water vapor, ice / albedo, clouds, etc., without looking to
see how these phenomena are actually behaving — e.g., what are the radiative properties
of water vapor, how is relative humidity changing, what is happening to low cloud cover, high cloud cover, and the high / low cloud ratios, etc.?.
Water vapor is,
of course, lost in this process, so your idea goes in the wrong direction, and its loss leads to negative buoyancy, which we
see does not happen in thunderstorm updrafts where the condensation is occurring.
When you
see condensation on the bathroom mirror, you know the dew point
of the
water vapor in the air is equal to or higher than the surface temperature
of the mirror.
On top
of the ocean heating, we can look at the outgoing radiation from the atmosphere, by satellite, to
see that frequencies associated with
water vapor and CO2 have reduced upward emissions.
It is easy to
see that the spectrum
of outgoing IF at CO2 and
water vapor absorption wave lengths are lower than what would be expected from the surface temperature
of the earth.
As can be
seen, the «constant RH assumption» exaggerates the actually observed moisture increase with warming by a factor
of around 10:1 (and hence the model - based
water vapor feedback estimates).
Evaluations
of column integrated
water vapour from the NASA Water Vapor Project (NVAP; Randel et al., 1996), and reanalysis data sets from NRA, NCEP - 2 and ERA - 15 / ERA - 40 (see Append
water vapour from the NASA
Water Vapor Project (NVAP; Randel et al., 1996), and reanalysis data sets from NRA, NCEP - 2 and ERA - 15 / ERA - 40 (see Append
Water Vapor Project (NVAP; Randel et al., 1996), and reanalysis data sets from NRA, NCEP - 2 and ERA - 15 / ERA - 40 (
see Appendix 3.
The instrument in that case is
seeing the temperature
of the
water vapor very close the ground.
For the
water vapor argument and other areas
of debate with Lindzen,
see Hansen et al. (2000), pp. 154 - 59.
All in all, this means that
water vapor that enters the atmosphere persists there a very short period
of time — about 11 days (
see the right sidebar — while CO2 persists in the atmosphere for decades to centuries.
Similarly, if global temperatures drop for some reason (for example, a large volcanic eruption dumping massive amounts
of aerosols into the air), we should expect to
see water vapor concentrations decrease.