A few weeks ago I was in a discussion group with a bunch of mostly
older church people and the discussion topic was prayer.
Not exact matches
«You can't have a musty
church basement or whatever space
people used in the
old days.»
The
Church = the
oldest and largest organization through which
people get saved physically and spiritually.
You don't start a new
church because the
people in the
old one were mean, and little is accomplished by labeling winners and losers.
The little
old lady the gives out hugs at
church The sunset that takes your breath away The
person that tells you that he appreciates you The lady that brings your family dinner because you are tending to a sick child The friend that prays with you and cries with you when someone you love lies dying.
The
church =
Oldest criminal organization in the world; Accepted because
people can not accept their own death; Still
people are going to be dead when dead; No religion will get you past that fact.
He must mean
people on the fringe, whose attachment to today's living
Church is fragile or tenuous — folks drawn to the SSPX, or grumpily nostalgic for the
old Mass, or not altogether reconciled to Vatican II.
The 10 - year -
old church, which says in its materials that more than 2,000
people attend its weekend services, planned to disperse that same amount - $ 30,000 - on Sunday, with congregants getting envelopes containing $ 10, $ 20 and $ 50 bills.
I had the option of converting to Catholicism when I married my husband and chose not to because of what I saw as a
church run by a bunch of
old, white men out of touch with the needs of women and
people of diverse backgrounds.
Most
churches are predominantly full of and focused upon
old people.
Most
people do not like admitting they were wrong when making a change, so the
churches will need to create roles for the
old guard without making them feel marginalized.
New research has found
older people are more likely to live longer if they're part of
church clubs.
In a small, steepled
church,
people sing a few
old hymns backed by an organ, listen to a sermon, share in Communion and have bad coffee as they laugh and catch up in the
church basement afterward.
The
Church of Jesus Christ today has a prophet like Moses, 12 apostles who represent the 12 tribes, and 70 men who also serve the
people, just as in the
Old and New Testament.
Just as our previous 30 year
olds were sick of traditional
church and moved us to what so many
people are now wishing we'd do something else.
If you read the details, despite belonging less to
churches and praying less «young adults» beliefs about life after death and the existence of heaven, hell and miracles closely resemble the beliefs of
older people today».
I think all the author was saying was that it isn't «the great apostasy» or even mere self - indulgence (we want an in -
church barista type thing) that is turning some
people of faith — both young and
old — away from corporate «traditional» gathering.
When I walked into the
church, there was only one
person inside - an elderly man wearing an
old wool coat that had holes in the elbows and thread handing from the sleeves.
Young local
Churches begin as «mission territory,» and their bishops are chosen in consultation with what's now called the «Congregation for the Evangelization of
Peoples» (but which everyone in Rome still refers to by its
old name, «Propaganda,» or simply «Prop»).
I wandered through other
church traditions, traditional, contemporary, liturgical, meditative, mystic, seeker - sensitive, emerging, ancient - future, denominational, mega-
church,
old church, new
church, basement
church, no
church for a while there: you name it, I found my way there and I found the
people of God in each place, I did.
With all of this in mind, and in response to common questions I receive when speaking at mainline
churches, I've dusted off and updated this
older post from 2013 with seven ways to welcome young
people to the mainline:
«We follow the ancient liturgy of the
church (chanting the Kyrie, readings from scripture, chanting the Psalm, sermon, prayers of the
people, Eucharist, benediction, etc.) We also sing the
old hymns of the
church.
The patriarchal, macho, controlling, manipulative, shaming, money - grubbing, name - it - and - claim - it, fear - mongering, other - despising, fiefdom - making, using and abusing, excuse for narcissistic and plain
old selfish and power - addled appalling behavior that is commonly called «
church» and «
church leadership» has nothing whatsoever to do with anything the
person or character or compilation or concept called «Jesus» ever reportedly or theoretically said, did, or conveyed.
The Catechism again says that the
Church is «already present in figure [in the community of our first parents] at the beginning of the world, this
Church was prepared in marvellous fashion in the history of the
people of Israel and the
old Covenant.
«The second
person of the Trinity is revealed as the eternal Son not daughter; the Father and the Son create man and woman in His image and give them the name man, the name of the male... God appoints all the priests in the
Old Testament to be men; the Son of God came into the world to be a man; He chose 12 men to be His apostles; the apostles appointed that the overseers of the
Church be men; and when it came to marriage they taught that the husband should be the head.»
Thousands of
people gathered in Hull's historic
Old Town at the weekend to celebrate the city's Holy Trinity
Church being bestowed a special status by the Archbishop of York.
The factors of chief importance in the development of this theology were: (a) the
Old Testament — and Judaism --(b) the tradition of religious thought in the Hellenistic world, (c) the earliest Christian experience of Christ and conviction about his
person, mission, and nature — this soon became the tradition of the faith or the «true doctrine» — and (d) the living, continuous, ongoing experience of Christ — only in theory to be distinguished from the preceding — in worship, in preaching, in teaching, in open proclamation and confession, as the manifestation of the present Spiritual Christ within his
church.
What a privilege to set out into the wilderness from among the Spanish oaks and the Guadalupe river, what a gift to be equipped for the journey by the saints of an
old German town and the prayers of the earnest at the big evangelical
church and the friendship and love of a few good
people who loved Jesus and loved you.
It is Christ's special strengthening of the
person to face serious illness and the frailty of
old age, to enable them to unite their suffering to the Passion of Christ, the sanctification of the individual and the
Church, and a preparation for the final journey.
The
older Orders of the
Church were situated in remote parts of the countryside and no longer served the needs of the
people as they had in the past.
Though Hauerwas and his collaborators realize that not all
old people are wise, and that we can not expect them to be, «there is no substitute for some
old people in the
church being wise.
Only in the
church, the writers argue, do
old people find their rightful role and place.
This view of aging and the place of the
church aligns well with Vaillant's finding that organized religion is especially attractive for lonely
old people, those with a tendency toward depressive illness and those whose childhoods were lacking in hope and love.
I am 60 years
old, grew up in a very legalistic cultic
church, been part of several
church leaderships, served as pastor of a start up
church, read and went to many, many, many
church growth conferences, wanted to reach the lost, always trying to find the best structures, the best form of
church, and what type of bells and whistles will attract
people to
church.
We easily regard as the defeat and regression of the
Church in modern times what is actually only the social manifestation of a state which has always existed, even in the so - called good
old days, because even then
people, on the average, had but little faith, hope and love of God and men.
You are going to have to remain upset,
old sock, because I was indeed saying that Christ only died to save certain predestinated, elect
people (His
Church; Eph 5:25) and that all the others are damned long before conception.
The
Old Testament tells of his
people, Israel, and the New Testament of the possibility that we all might enter into God's chosen
people, the
Church, by way of baptism and faith in Christ.
Imaginative, passionate, faith - filled
people are enacting a new -
old faith with Jesus and are working to change wearied
churches.
They show that the
Old Testament can, and must, be read as a Christian book, prophetic of Jesus; that the paradox that the Messiah should suffer death can be understood in the light of the scriptures; and that the risen Lord's presence, even if it is not recognized at other times, is to be discerned when he encounters his
people in the breaking of bread (the
Church's Eucharist).
I think about that
old accusation of a Jezebel spirit when
people talk about feminism or women in the
church or whatever - term - you - want - to - call - it - now.
I am haunted by the
Old Testament statement that «without a vision, the
people perish,» and by the early Christian contention that «the
church is the soul of civilization.»
A typical message I heard while listening to radio broadcasts in northern Nicaragua accused the Sandinistas of «burning
churches, kidnapping Nicaraguan children and sending them to Cuba, stealing land from campesinos, creating internal food shortages by sending Nicaragua's food to the Soviet Union, and killing
old people in order to make soap.»
Then five - year -
old Ryland Ward was part of a Sunday morning service at First Baptist
Church in Sutherland Springs in which a gunman stormed in and killed 26
people, including an unborn child.
I remember how
people talked when the rector at my
old church started using the «s» word in his sermons («sin»).
It is a good thing indeed that men as well as women, young women as well as matrons, and talented
older people of both sexes have also been engaged in the teaching enterprises of the
churches.
But most
people leave seminary these days without the slightest notion as to what is essential and what is fluff in a eucharistic prayer, even though the
church has no
older form of proclamation of its faith.
1 Corinthians 11:14 (Men should not have long hair) 1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35 (Women should remain silent in
church) Deuteronomy 13:6 - 16 (Death penalty for Apostasy) Deuteronomy 20:10 - 14 (Attack city, kill all men, keep women, children as spoils of war) Deuteronomy 21:18 - 21 (Death penalty for a rebellious son) Deuteronomy 22:19 - 25 (Kill non - virgin / kill adulterers / rapists) Ecclesiastes 1:18 (Knowledge is bad) Exodus 21:1 - 7 (Rules for buying slaves) Exodus 35:2 (Death for working on the Sabbath) Ezekiel 9:5 - 6 (Murder women / children) Genesis 1:3,4,5,11,12,16 (God creates light, night and day, plants grow, before creating sun) Genesis 3:16 (Man shall rule over woman) Jeremiah 19:9 (Cannibalism) John 3:18 (He who believes in Jesus is saved, he that doesn't is condemned) John 5:46 - 47 (Jesus references
Old Testament) Leviticus 3:1 - 17 (Procedure for animal sacrifice) Leviticus 19:19 (No mixed fabrics in clothing) Leviticus 19:27 (Don't trim hair or beard) Leviticus 19:28 (No tattoos) Leviticus 20:9 (Death for cursing father or mother) Leviticus 20:10 (Death for adultery) Leviticus 20:13 (Death for gay men) Leviticus 21:17 - 23 (Ugly
people, lame, dwarfs, not welcome on altar) Leviticus 25:45 (Strangers can be bought as slaves) Luke 12:33 (Sell your possessions, and give to the poor) Luke 14:26 (You must hate your family and yourself to follow Jesus) Mark 10:11 - 12 (Leaving your spouse for another is adultery) Mark 10:21 - 22 (Sell your possessions and give to the poor) Mark 10:24 - 25 (Next to impossible for rich to get into heaven) Mark 16:15 - 16 (Those who hear the gospel and don't believe go to hell) Matthew 5:17 - 19 (Jesus says he has come to enforce the laws of the
Old Testament) Matthew 6:5 - 6 (Pray in secret) Matthew 6:18 (Fast for Lent in secret) Matthew 9:12 (The healthy don't need a doctor, the sick do) Matthew 10:34 - 37 (Jesus comes with sword, turns families against each other, those that love family more than him are not worthy) Matthew 12:30 (If you're not with Jesus, you're against him) Matthew 15:4 (Death for not honouring your father and mother) Matthew 22:29 (Jesus references
Old Testament) Matthew 24:37 (Jesus references
Old Testament) Numbers 14:18 (Following generations blamed for the sins of previous ones) Psalms 137:9 (Violence against children) Revelation 6:13 (The stars fell to earth like figs) Revelation 21:8 (Unbelievers, among others, go to hell) 1 Timothy 2:11 - 12 (Women subordinate and must remain silent) 1 Timothy 5:8 (If you don't provide for your family, you are an infidel)
I have seen all too often where
churches work so hard to put on their salvation shows by manipulating
people down the aisle so like a
old western gunslinger they can put another notch on their belts.
No matter that even in our own complex and secular day, when the
old notion of «parish» as a particular area where
people sleep and work has almost expired, the majority of
people can still be ministered to by local
churches for most of their lives if they are interested in the services of ministry.
Just because you knock up all the 13 year
olds at your
church's sunday school doesn't mean
people with brains aren't getting any.