Most of these writers don't waste a thought
on trad pubs.
Don't get me wrong, guys — I'm not down
on trad pub, and I'm not one of the folks saying that «traditional publishing is doomed».
I'm also curious as to why Amazon Publishing isn't counted in
on the trad pub side in many of these conclusions.
As a new self - published author, I still have not given up
on trad pub and the submission process.
Not exact matches
They decided early
on to fleece indie authors by charging exorbitant prices — when we all know
trad pub pays pennies for each ISBN they use — and indie authors decided that they weren't going to play along with this little game.
Others aren't entirely satisfied with their
trad -
pub experience, but they feel it's preferable to setting out
on their own and having to do everything from editing to cover design to promotion
on their own.
For example, if you are dead - set
on going
trad -
pub, the chances of you making enough money in the beginning is fairly remote.
Elizabeth, I have learnt much from your post about «
trad pub» and «self -
pub,» especially since I'm working
on my own fiction.
As I've continued
on my self - publishing path, though, I've felt more frustration with what happens with my
trad -
pubbed books.
I rarely comment
on posts like this — I know very little about the
trad -
pubbed world:).
I have people writing to me
on Facebook and in email and talking to me in person about how much they love my books, and here I am envying the awards and the accolades, certain that a
trad pub deal was the only way I could get them.
I've got a friend who is seeking
trad pub for novels and putting novellas
on the kindle.
And the Ilona Andrews self
pub book has done well, but likely has not made as much as advances
on Ilona Andrews
trad published books.
Literary fiction never did well in indie publishing because it depends
on reviews from the big, well known journals like the New Yorker, the NYT book review, the TLS, the Guardian, the NY Review of Books, etc, and they only review
trad pub.
I know of very few
trad pub authors who made six figures
on their first novels.
For most
trad pub authors, you are
on your own to do most of the same promotion you'd do as an indie.
It's also worth noting that the author of the AE report, Hugh Howey, admitted in comments
on Chuck Wendig's blog (fourth down) that actually he earned more from
trad pub last year that he did from Amazon.
Absolutely: authors must promote themselves
on social media, whether they are
trad pubbed or self -
pubbed.
My latest idea: (1) query agents because I already wasted all of that time
on those days I had writer's block researching agents & writing a synopsis, query letter, book proposal THEN (2) if I don't get any takers at
trad -
pub within a reasonable period, I self -
pub because I already wasted all of that time
on those days I had writer's block researching book bloggers & reviewers, building two websites, making or editing videos & writing tweets, Facebook posts, blogs.
Another question: do you think the discounting by Amazon could be
on purpose, because they noticed big publishing was practicing deep discount conditions with Amazon's discounts, and Amazon knew the more discounting it would do, the more
trad pub and hybrid authors would be screwed, and tempted to become only self - published authors?
Joe's initiative is great, but if we could inform our readers that the money they spend
on taxes going to libraries is practically only devoted to
trad pub books and ebooks, and that this doesn't reflect EXACTLY, for instance the indie market share of the first retailer in the world, maybe things would advance a little bit in the right direction.
But that being said, please, if any new writers * do * go through
trad -
pub (and this isn't for you, Diane, because I know you're a pro at all this and have been for longer than me), read the contract carefully and know * exactly * what you're signing
on for.
Consistenly retweeted JA Konrath's posts
on how self -
pub will topple
trad pub.
I will admit that the self -
pub side of Writer Inc takes up most of my activity, but the
trad side also drains me a bit — in terms of branding (they're starting to follow up
on our efforts at the
pubs now, I've noticed) and the tax - related stuff.
I do know that you've been
on the
trad -
pub path, and I think your women's fiction / romance books are the kind that will do well there.
Amazon introduced Kindle Unlimited, which enables customers to pay $ 10 a month and borrow as many books as they like — with the caveat that only some titles are in the program, which pays $ 1.33 for a borrow instead of the royalty an author would normally see (except for Amazon imprints and
trad pubs, which see their full royalty
on a borrow); a windfall for those writing 10K short stories or serials, but not so great for those with novels, hence limited participation.
Add in the price factor (Print
On Demand books tend to be more expensive than
trad -
pub print runs), and it's tough to get those paper books into kids hands.
What's more likely is that they focus
on their own Thomas and Mercer brand, making it successful, and push the offerings of the
trad pub world, because they make more, and because those are likely higher quality than most of the indie stuff.
As I close in
on 50 novels published, I don't think I'm suffering from a lack of my work being available, so see no reason to kill myself
on more than a novel every quarter, which in
trad pub circles would be considered near miraculous, and for me would be a vacation.
I also believe that they offer different terms to
trad pub on Select, like not having to be exclusive, so if you believe that the playing field isn't already slanted, look no further than that.
That said, I'm going to have to start a new series / brand targeted to a traditional publisher, and maybe later I will be able to either afford to publish my self -
pubbed series
on my own, or hope that if I do find a
trad pub later that they might consider my previous works.
Detractors of ebooks and self - publishing focus
on the downside of publishing anything you want, but authors (both self -
pub and
trad -
pub) are just beginning to explore the upside of publishing anything you want.
While many authors have focused
on indie publishing the novels that were originally
trad -
pub bound, we're just beginning to move into the era where works are being created solely, from conception to completion, for publication as ebooks.
She's doing both — with a focus
on self
pub, and just enough
trad pub to get some good advertising dollars.
So I know things will take a dive when I make the move out of Select... but it's okay, I'll be ready because I'm building deep with developing a loyal, engaged reader base and capturing them
on my email list,, building broad by reaching into new markets (audiobooks,
trad pub deals, film and tv) and high by developing new projects in new genres.
Every author, depending
on popularity, needs a different number of titles to make and maintain a living doing this, whether they are
trad pubbed or indie.
Whether that's good or bad depends
on whether you're Amazon, a
trad pubbed author who doesn't participate, or an indie who is hoping that folks conditioned to read free content will decide they're worth paying for.
Now, suddenly, with a DOJ investigation and the writing
on the wall, wan na bet the
trad pubs are more willing to listen to reason?
That's why
trad pubs spend massively
on promotions.
This is true for
trad -
pub authors as well (again, the appeal of the book and the power of the paper distribution system can have a big impact
on sales).
Now, you Sharks - and - Jets squabblers can keep doing the Beat It knife dance
on message boards (aka Thunderdome) about how much better Self -
Pub is over
Trad -
Pub, and vice versa.
I was pointing up the differences and I think that's a point where they differ (self -
pub authors generally aren't trying to get into bookstores)-- and it struck me in Saundra's article (also Elana's later) that there was as much emphasis
on pitching directly to booksellers for
trad -
pub authors.
p.s. I'll have to think about doing that post
on the sweat equity that goes into marketing self -
pub vs.
trad pub.
Pricing self - published books under $ 5 gives them an advantage over
trad -
pub books
on price, which helps make up for the disadvantage of being a relatively unknown author.
Ava, you're absolutely right that
trad -
pub authors focus
on readers as well (esp through social media, which is up there).
I agree
on the permission thing — I really couldn't believe how many
trad pub authors said things like «my agent won't let me do that,» or «my publisher wants me to write something different.»
And then I remembered, I had an agent, a great agent, I wrote great books (so all the rejecting editors told me) and yes, you are right, self
pub has given my stories a voice and an ear and the chance to be read, when they otherwise would have still been gathering dust
on my hard drive, yet,
on the other hand this is hard, REALLY HARD, it is SO hard to find your way to a readership as a SP, with limited funds (dwindling)... and the glimmer of
trad pub — with their power to splash your name around established circles of readers, and their ability to secure a great number of reviews where, as a self
pub, doors have been slammed in my face — becomes temptingly shiny again, (it's like childbirth, you forget all the painful stuff with time)... and it all gets very tempting... almost tempting enough to consider sacrificing one work JUST one artistic premise for the trade off of visibility... and then perhaps, just perhaps THEN, my SP efforts will finally sprout wings... but then I hear you and other say, it wasn't worth it, you'd never do it again, and I sigh... And then I wake up the next morning and think of packing it all in, and going to work for Walmart and steady shitty pay... lol And then along comes this blog post.
After all, today's bestselling indies — many of which can be found
on bestseller lists of the aforementioned publications — are already out - selling their
trad pubbed counterparts.
I was just saying the time for those things to pay back is shorter
on the indie side than the
trad -
pub side, IMHO.
I'm a little late to this party but... this is one of the things the self -
pub committee is working
on for SFWA: we want to make the organization a brand where people can go to find
trad, hybrid, and indie writers with proven track records, writing in the genres they already know they love.