Some of my «opponents» don't see the contradiction when they rely
on uncertainty in climate models to «disprove» the general consensus, and yet are content to rely on innuendo to rubbish the scientists.
Not exact matches
Clouds also are the largest source of
uncertainty in present
climate models, according to the latest report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
climate models, according to the latest report of the Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Climate Change.
For example, when examining hurricanes and typhoons, the lack of a high - quality, long - term historical record,
uncertainty regarding the impact of
climate change
on storm frequency and inability to accurately simulate these storms
in most global
climate models raises significant challenges when attributing assessing the impact of
climate change
on any single storm.
However, he says, «Aerosol effects
on climate are one of the main
uncertainties in climate models.
Understanding how well
climate models represent these processes will help reduce
uncertainties in the
model projections of the effects of global warming
on the world's water cycle.
Dr. Yun Qian, atmospheric and
climate modeling scientist at Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, was invited to organize and direct an international workshop on «Uncertainty Quantification in Climate Modeling and Projection» in Trieste,
climate modeling scientist at Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, was invited to organize and direct an international workshop on «Uncertainty Quantification in Climate Modeling and Projection» in Trieste
modeling scientist at Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, was invited to organize and direct an international workshop
on «
Uncertainty Quantification
in Climate Modeling and Projection» in Trieste,
Climate Modeling and Projection» in Trieste
Modeling and Projection»
in Trieste, Italy.
Given that clouds are known to be the primary source of
uncertainty in climate sensitivity, how much confidence can you place
in a study based
on a
model that doesn't even attempt to simulate clouds?
The
model results (which are based
on driving various
climate models with estimated solar, volcanic, and anthropogenic radiative forcing changes over this timeframe) are, by
in large, remarkably consistent with the reconstructions, taking into account the statistical
uncertainties.
There are
uncertainties in parts of the general circulation
models used to forecast future
climate, but thousands of scientists have made meticulous efforts to make sure that the processes are based
on observations of basic physics, laboratory measurements, and sound theoretical calculations.
When faced with durable
uncertainty on many fronts —
in the
modeling of the atmosphere,
in data delineating past
climate changes, and more — pushing ever harder to boost clarity may be scientifically important but is not likely to be very relevant outside a small circle of theorists.
Although there is still some disagreement
in the preliminary results (eg the description of polar ice caps), a lot of things appear to be quite robust as the
climate models for instance indicate consistent patterns of surface warming and rainfall trends: the
models tend to agree
on a stronger warming
in the Arctic and stronger precipitation changes
in the Topics (see crude examples for the SRES A1b scenarios given
in Figures 1 & 2; Note, the degrees of freedom varies with latitude, so that the
uncertainty of these estimates are greater near the poles).
Some attribution assessments that link events to dynamically driven changes
in circulation have been criticized
on the grounds that small signal - to - noise ratios,
modeling deficiencies, and
uncertainties in the effects of
climate forcings
on circulation render conclusions unreliable and prone to downplaying the role of anthropogenic change.
And of course there's still substantial
uncertainty in climate models at the regional scale
in war - prone places (again, a prime example is the set of countries along the southern fringe of the Sahara Desert, where
models still clash
on which areas will grow drier or wetter; see my Somalia posts.)
Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research made this point powerfully last year
in an important piece
in the journal Nature Reports /
Climate Change warning that more uncertainty, not less, would likely result from a push to enrich climate models used for the next report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Climate Change warning that more
uncertainty, not less, would likely result from a push to enrich
climate models used for the next report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
climate models used for the next report from the Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Climate Change:
In the rekognition of the uncertainties, the IPCC Good - Practice - Guidance - Paper on using climate model results offers some wise advice (first bullet point under section 3.5 on p. 10): the local climate change scenarios should be based on (i) historical change, (ii) process change (e.g. changes in the driving circulation), (iii) global climate change projected by GCMs, and (iv) downscaled projected chang
In the rekognition of the
uncertainties, the IPCC Good - Practice - Guidance - Paper
on using
climate model results offers some wise advice (first bullet point under section 3.5
on p. 10): the local
climate change scenarios should be based
on (i) historical change, (ii) process change (e.g. changes
in the driving circulation), (iii) global climate change projected by GCMs, and (iv) downscaled projected chang
in the driving circulation), (iii) global
climate change projected by GCMs, and (iv) downscaled projected change.
More complex metrics have also been developed based
on multiple observables
in present day
climate, and have been shown to have the potential to narrow the
uncertainty in climate sensitivity across a given
model ensemble (Murphy et al., 2004; Piani et al., 2005).
But even as the certainty of the
models improved, Exxon focused instead
on their
uncertainty in its campaign to delay
climate action.
(2007) • Contribution of Renewables to Energy Security (2007) •
Modelling Investment Risks and
Uncertainties with Real Options Approach (2007) • Financing Energy Efficient Homes Existing Policy Responses to Financial Barriers (2007) • CO2 Allowance and Electricity Price Interaction - Impact
on Industry's Electricity Purchasing Strategies
in Europe (2007) • CO2 Capture Ready Plants (2007) • Fuel - Efficient Road Vehicle Non-Engine Components (2007) • Impact of
Climate Change Policy
Uncertainty on Power Generation Investments (2006) • Raising the Profile of Energy Efficiency
in China — Case Study of Standby Power Efficiency (2006) • Barriers to the Diffusion of Solar Thermal Technologies (2006) • Barriers to Technology Diffusion: The Case of Compact Fluorescent Lamps (2006) • Certainty versus Ambition — Economic Efficiency
in Mitigating
Climate Change (2006) • Sectoral Crediting Mechanisms for Greenhouse Gas Mitigation: Institutional and Operational Issues (2006) • Sectoral Approaches to GHG Mitigation: Scenarios for Integration (2006) • Energy Efficiency
in the Refurbishment of High - Rise Residential Buildings (2006) • Can Energy - Efficient Electrical Appliances Be Considered «Environmental Goods»?
Although mainstream scientists do identify considerable
uncertainties in their
climate predictions, which are based
on computer
models, they are increasingly confident that global warming is a serious problem and often say that the
uncertainties do not justify inaction.
Yeh, X. Fu, and E.A.B. Eltahir, 2015:
Uncertainty in modeled and observed
climate change impacts
on American Midwest hydrology.
Contribution from working group I to the fifth assessment report by IPCC TS.5.4.1 Projected Near - term Changes
in Climate Projections of near - term climate show small sensitivity to Green House Gas scenarios compared to model spread, but substantial sensitivity to uncertainties in aerosol emissions, especially on regional scales and for hydrological cycle var
Climate Projections of near - term
climate show small sensitivity to Green House Gas scenarios compared to model spread, but substantial sensitivity to uncertainties in aerosol emissions, especially on regional scales and for hydrological cycle var
climate show small sensitivity to Green House Gas scenarios compared to
model spread, but substantial sensitivity to
uncertainties in aerosol emissions, especially
on regional scales and for hydrological cycle variables.
The structural
uncertainties above are not expressed
in trivial intermodel variability, but lie at the core of IPCC
climate modeling, including its reliance
on the radiative forcing paradigm.
Estimates from proxy data1 (for example, based
on sediment records) are shown
in red (1800 - 1890, pink band shows
uncertainty), tide gauge data
in blue for 1880 - 2009,2 and satellite observations are shown
in green from 1993 to 2012.3 The future scenarios range from 0.66 feet to 6.6 feet
in 2100.4 These scenarios are not based
on climate model simulations, but rather reflect the range of possible scenarios based
on other kinds of scientific studies.
Those opposing policies
on the basis of
uncertainties about
models often fail to acknowledge that the
models could be wrong not only
in overstating the impacts of
climate change but also
in greatly understating
climate impacts.
In his talk, «Statistical Emulation of Streamflow Projections: Application to CMIP3 and CMIP5 Climate Change Projections,» PCIC Lead of Hydrological Impacts, Markus Schnorbus, explored whether the streamflow projections based on a 23 - member hydrological ensemble are representative of the full range of uncertainty in streamflow projections from all of the models from the third phase of the Coupled Model Intercomparison Projec
In his talk, «Statistical Emulation of Streamflow Projections: Application to CMIP3 and CMIP5
Climate Change Projections,» PCIC Lead of Hydrological Impacts, Markus Schnorbus, explored whether the streamflow projections based
on a 23 - member hydrological ensemble are representative of the full range of
uncertainty in streamflow projections from all of the models from the third phase of the Coupled Model Intercomparison Projec
in streamflow projections from all of the
models from the third phase of the Coupled
Model Intercomparison Project.
The disagreement was always about the scope and depth of natural variability,
on the point where data adjustments become statistical manipulations,
on gaps and
uncertainties in data,
on the proper use and limitations of
climate models and
on chaos
in climate and
models.
I won't repeat what I said
on an earlier forum, but a quick look at Paul Williams» presentation
on numerical errors
in climate modeling shows a host of issues that would lead me to assign a rather high
uncertainty to the
model results, and then we have the
uncertainties in the physical
models themselves.
On p601, they state that «
Models continue to have significant limitations, such as
in their representation of clouds, which lead to
uncertainties in the magnitude and timing, as well as regional details, of predicted
climate change.»
These NAO «book - ends» provide an estimate of the 5 — 95 % range of
uncertainty in projected trends due to internal variability of the NAO based
on observations superimposed upon
model estimates of human - induced
climate change.
In most cases, these range from about 2 to 4.5 C per doubled CO2 within the context of our current
climate — with a most likely value between 2 and 3 C.
On the other hand, chapter 9 describes attempts ranging far back into paleoclimatology to relate forcings to temperature change, sometimes directly (with all the attendant
uncertainties), and more often by adjusting
model parameters to determine the
climate sensitivity ranges that allow the
models to best simulate data from the past — e.g., the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM).
But we know that the mechanisms responsible for the variation of Ts are different
in internal variability
on these time scales and
in forced
climate change, then my questions is that: is it possible that the spread
in ECS might not be so directly caused by low - cloud feedback, although the low cloud feedback is a very good indictor for the
model uncertainty?
Recent
climate models reproduce well the observed tends of the cryosphere; they have
uncertainties about future clouds that appear
in the
uncertainties displayed
on the results of the
models.
While
climate contrarians like Richard Lindzen tend to treat the
uncertainties associated with clouds and aerosols incorrectly, as we noted
in that post, they are correct that these
uncertainties preclude a precise estimate of
climate sensitivity based solely
on recent temperature changes and
model simulations of those changes.
This scale factor was based
on simulations with an early
climate model [3,92]; comparable forcings are found
in other
models (e.g. see discussion
in [93]-RRB-, but results depend
on cloud representations, assumed ice albedo and other factors; so the
uncertainty is difficult to quantify.
«The assessment is supported additionally by a complementary analysis
in which the parameters of an Earth System
Model of Intermediate Complexity (EMIC) were constrained using observations of near - surface temperature and ocean heat content, as well as prior information on the magnitudes of forcings, and which concluded that GHGs have caused 0.6 °C to 1.1 °C (5 to 95 % uncertainty) warming since the mid-20th century (Huber and Knutti, 2011); an analysis by Wigley and Santer (2013), who used an energy balance model and RF and climate sensitivity estimates from AR4, and they concluded that there was about a 93 % chance that GHGs caused a warming greater than observed over the 1950 — 2005 period; and earlier detection and attribution studies assessed in the AR4 (Hegerl et al., 2007b).&r
Model of Intermediate Complexity (EMIC) were constrained using observations of near - surface temperature and ocean heat content, as well as prior information
on the magnitudes of forcings, and which concluded that GHGs have caused 0.6 °C to 1.1 °C (5 to 95 %
uncertainty) warming since the mid-20th century (Huber and Knutti, 2011); an analysis by Wigley and Santer (2013), who used an energy balance
model and RF and climate sensitivity estimates from AR4, and they concluded that there was about a 93 % chance that GHGs caused a warming greater than observed over the 1950 — 2005 period; and earlier detection and attribution studies assessed in the AR4 (Hegerl et al., 2007b).&r
model and RF and
climate sensitivity estimates from AR4, and they concluded that there was about a 93 % chance that GHGs caused a warming greater than observed over the 1950 — 2005 period; and earlier detection and attribution studies assessed
in the AR4 (Hegerl et al., 2007b).»
The
uncertainties in climate projections originate
in the representation of processes such as clouds and turbulence that are not resolvable
on the computational grid of global
models.
My take
on the
uncertainty issue is that the difference
in +1 C (mild) +3 C (
climate model) and +10 C (outlier) scenarios are really just different people's intuition, all with valid scientific arguments that rationalize them.
The Institute also announced that it has scheduled an ongoing attack
on the report of the Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Change, promising a «Fraser Institute Supplementary Analysis Series»
on topics such as «Fundamental
Uncertainties in Climate Modelling.»
Zhang, M., S. Klein, D. Randall, R. Cederwall, and A. Del Genio, 2005: Introduction to special section
on «Toward Reducing Cloud -
Climate Uncertainties in Atmospheric General Circulation
Models».
The U.K. government's chief scientific advisor, John Beddington, has acknowledged some
climate scientists exaggerated the impact of global warming and called for more honesty
in explaining to the public the inherent
uncertainties of predictions based
on computer
climate models, adding: «I don't think it's healthy to dismiss proper skepticism.»
Although the most advanced theoretical
climate models still leave
uncertainty, particularly about the sign and magnitudes of the effects,
on GHG feedbacks, of some low - and high - clouds, a consensus began to develop that threats of resulting increases
in global temperature — and the very large risks associated with their possible consequences — deserved substantial increase
in attention.
As valuation depends strongly
on the transient
climate response,
uncertainty in sensitivity is based
on the range
in a recent study of the AR5
models (1.3 — 3.15 °C; (Shindell 2014)-RRB- relative to the mean of those
models (1.8 °C, hence − 28 % / +75 %; those
models also exhibited a mean ECS of 3.2 °C).