Having attended both, they both have attributes that «outshine»
the other kind of church.
Not exact matches
The
church then tried to make me arminian (and partially succedeed), while I thought I was still only christian.Then I rebelled and discovered
other aspects
of truth, calvinist ones, in another
church who
kind of made me a calvinist.
Jonathan: What do you think that we can and should do as Christians in the American
Church to
kind of heal the divides, understand each
other and begin to repair the damage that's been done as a result
of these political conversations.
Try asking the United Methodist
Church or
other denominations that have structures in place for this
kind of thing.
Others were groping down false paths toward the reform
of an institutional
Church that, for all its integration with culture and society, was becoming evangelically flaccid and sluggish, perhaps in the complacent conviction (not unlike that
of the recent past) that the faith could be transmitted by cultural osmosis, as a
kind of ethnic heritage.
The ABC was
kind enough to send transcripts
of the programs it did on these giants
of modern Catholicism, so I was able to read what
others had to say about the
Church's two newest saints.
The
kind of things that can lead to
churches splitting, people leaving
churches, pastors writing condemnatory blogs about the beliefs
of other pastors and relationships falling apart.
I heard more
of their intersecting stories, and when Idelette was done talking about her book, about her passions, I wanted to see her on every stage
of every slick Christian conference, to bring some mama - truth, to preach the Gospel
of Being With Each
Other, but then I
kind of had to shrug because part
of Idelette's power is that she's outside
of that system, outside
of that
church - marketing world, too busy living the truth
of it to package it.
Examples
of one or
other of the two
kinds of divine and unchangeable law would be, that a marriage between brother and sister is now invalid independently
of the will
of the
Church; that a validly consummated marriage between baptized persons is indissoluble and that the
Church has no power to alter the fact; that the
Church can not abolish the fact that there are seven sacraments, nor alter the ultimate features
of the
Church's own constitution.
Various chapters in this book, as well as
other reading and my own experience in
churches, persuade me that all these
kinds of knowledge and more really would be helpful for contemporary ministers.
I doubt that they'll do much
of a funeral for him -
other than maybe some
kind of ceremony down in their catacombs (
church basement).
Nor are emerging
churches, traditional
churches, contemporary
churches, family
churches, bible
churches, denominational
churches, independent
churches, or any
other kind of label you might want to put in front
of «
churches.»
1) seperation
of church and state; state funded public schools can't teach anything that is directly influenced by religion
other than just touching on that
kind of topic.
The same
kind of coordinated action could unite evangelicals with
other Christians and concerned persons
of goodwill to address the key social needs
of the late 20th century — if not to solve them, at least to hold them before God responsibly in prayer to seek whatever measure
of progress may be consistent with the
church's task before the return
of Christ.
One formulation is offered by John Paul II in his 1995 encyclical Ut Unum Sint: «Insofar as these
kinds of elements exist in
other Christian communities, the one (unica)
Church of Christ has an efficacious presence therein.
This
kind of organization
of service may be
of genuine value not only to members
of local
churches but also to
others who, while sympathetic to religion or the
church, have nevertheless not gone so far as to join a
church.
Perhaps we should, in our schools,
churches, families and so on, refrain from honoring certain
kinds of accomplishments, since the implications might confuse
others — or even ourselves — about our values.
Churches are required to be agents
of resistance to genocide or any
other kind of social evil, as a basic expression
of faithfulness to their God, their sacred scriptures and their social responsibility.
Perhaps the
kinds of studies that have been made
of the art
of administration,
of the relations
of policy and administration,
of organization and management in
other: spheres will be carried forward into the sphere
of the
Church and may show how much the pastoral director
of our time, as pastoral preacher, teacher, counselor and leader
of worship has also become the democratic pastoral administrator, that is to say, a man charged with the responsibility and given the authority to hold in balance, to invigorate and to maintain communication among a host
of activities and their responsible leaders, all directed toward a common end.
If, instead
of gospel, what is proclaimed in the
churches is nothing more than the
kinds of «musts» and «shoulds» and «ought to's» that one can hear from many
other quarters — along with the ubiquitous language
of «rights» — then we can not expect
church people to be any more receptive to such exhortations than are their counter parts in society at large.
A few paragraphs later Cardinal Dulles laments that «the greatest threat to religion, in my estimation, is the
kind of secularism that would exclude religion from the public forum and that treats
churches as purely private institutions that have no rightful influence on legislation, public policy, and
other dimensions
of public life.»
most
churches represent the community in which it is found in many respects if the community is multi-disciplinary in it's religions — then multi-disciplinary
churches, as well as many
other churches of all
kinds, can be found there are real differences in the religious atmosphere and realities in the USA compared to the Mid-East the seperation
of church and state is taken fairly seriously — and — from what i have seen so far — is a good thing for most
He does not mean the feigned affection that sometimes passes for love in the
church, but the genuine article — the
kind of love Jesus has always shown for his disciples, the
kind of love that a mother normally shows for her children, the
kind of love that stands ready to lay down one's life for the
other.
all I can think
of today is what I saw in yesterday's news, about the former paratrooper turned preacher at an Independent Fundamental Baptist
church just outside Ft. Bragg, N.C., that told his congregation they should break their sons» wrists if they catch them doing the «limp wrist», or give him a good punch... and all the kids that have committed suicide because
other kids have picked up on messages like this and bullied them till they couldn't stand it anymore... we are the only bible some folks will ever read, and if they get this
kind of message, well, who'd want to be with a group
of people where you are grudgingly tolerated, if not outright hated, and all this in Jesus» name... it also says that the
churches will do just about anything to keep people obedient and unquestioning, so they will continue to give, and so the big donors will continue to give, so that the doors at Monster Megachurch can be kept open, and the lights on... David, this is one
of your «less is more» toons here... a minimum
of elements that says so much....
The alleged subordination
of the gospel to Karl Marx is illustrated, for example, by charging that «false» liberation theology concentrates too much on a few selected biblical texts that are always given a political meaning, leading to an overemphasis on «material» poverty and neglecting
other kinds of poverty; that this leads to a «temporal messianism» that confuses the Kingdom
of God with a purely «earthly» new society, so that the gospel is collapsed into nothing but political endeavor; that the emphasis on social sin and structural evil leads to an ignoring or forgetting
of the reality
of personal sin; that everything is reduced to praxis (the interplay
of action and reflection) as the only criterion
of faith, so that the notion
of truth is compromised; and that the emphasis on communidades de base sets a so - called «people's
church» against the hierarchy.
Many NGOs,
church related and
others, work at this
kind of development.
Rationally I was still utterly opposed to the idea that the
Church could be anything
other than a
kind of malevolent fairy tale.
Church attendance is declining along with
other kinds of civic engagement.
The local
church is, further, because it speaks an idiom
of human language, an instance
of human society that distinguishes itself from many
other kinds of societies by the high proportion
of language it spends on struggle and grace.
The contrast between the
kind of «
church» we have and that
of other parts
of the world hit home to me with my time with the Massai in Kenya.
In a way, we are like Merton who are living as
kind of hermits out in the world, many
of us in isolation from
other Christians and
church communities.
There ought to be two distinct
kinds of marriage: one governed by the State with rules enforced on all citizens, the
other governed by the
church with rules enforced by her on her own members.
On the
other hand, if we made this move we would be choosing, consciously or unconsciously, a suburban model
of development, one which would put a different
kind of limitation on our
church's ministry.
I get nervous at my
church because it's a one
of a
kind sort
of place, not part
of a denomination, though it does have working links with some
other churches.
Neuhaus finds as explanation for the approval or near - approval
of all three proposals, this
kind of ecumenical negotiation requires each
church not only to discern the convergences noted above, but also to honor the divergences: to admonish the
other about the validity
of its own «accent» or «emphasis,» and to open its own ears to the same
kind of admonition.
The contributions on the one hand
of Biblical, historical and systematic theology,
of history, the sociology
of religion and the theology
of culture; and on the
other, the practical experiments and experiences in ecumenical, national, municipal and parish organization
of church life, will, one may hope, eventually be brought together in some
kind of temporary historical synthesis.
The United
Church of Canada, one third
of it Presbyterian at its inauguration in 1925, at its 32nd General Council in l988, after much study and years
of hot debate, made the
kind of decision in the face
of this issue that ought at least to be considered by
other ecclesial communities facing it.
When a group convenes on the first evening, it is made up
of twenty men and a few women who are usually strangers to each
other; who come from different parts
of the country or even
of the world; who represent the doctrine and tradition
of from eight to twelve different
churches, Protestant and Catholic; and who are engaged in different
kinds of ministries — education, local
church, seminary leaders, denominational executives, and
others.
If there is a local
church where half the people want contemporary music and half want traditional hymns, both sides can stop accusing the
other of cultural compromise or religious traditionalism and instead recognize that it takes all
kinds of churches to reach all
kinds of people, and that the two groups can either go their separate ways in peace.
Sexism, racism, and all
other kinds of «isms» have a strangle hold within the
church and on many souls.
While the majority
of the (now disbanded) PP study group are members
of Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist and Presbyterian
churches, they believe that the future
of the
kind of ecumenism that originated from these and
other mainline Protestant denominations now lies outside
of them.
Hearing that you've been through that
kind of trouble and come out the
other side gives me hope that our
church community will continue to put division behind us and continue to grow in grace.
I learned quickly at the Divinity School that full respect was reserved chiefly for the mainline Protestant
churches of the old New England
kind, including Congregationalists, Anglicans, Unitarians, and Presbyterians, with considerable respect also for the mainstream Lutherans (less so for the Missouri Synod) and some Methodists, but very little for the Baptists and those
others from «the left wing
of the Reformation.»
Although the emergence
of a truly postpatriarchal
church still appears remote, there is more energy in our oldline denominations for this
kind of transformation than for any
other.
Kind of wish I could find a congregation
of people who really do know God as a living being, their source
of daily light and advice, who love each
other and take care
of the poor and widows — all the stuff the
churches to do well but without the stuff the
churches shouldn't middle in but do.
On the
other hand, all
of them are fully aware
of the
kind of institution to which they have committed their lives and work, and in most instances they endorse both the university's preoccupations and the presence
of the
church within it.
Churches must help
other groups in society which are pressing for these new
kinds of «small media.»
After the WWII the «guilty conscience» influence moved him to react very strongly and negatively to his upbringing and the
kind of church he grew up in — going to the
other extreme.
The report recommended various forms
of community life which would bring about renewal in life and mission such as «Base» Christian communities, House
churches, Prayer groups, Monastic communities and
other groups seeking a simpler life - style or seeking involvement in various
kinds of mission.
Pentecostal, all
kinds of baptist
churches, seventh day Adventist, Methodist, non denominational, home
churches, military chapels, bible studies, Protestant and a bunch
of others I can't even remember.