Well, yes, but that rather misses the whole point at issue, which is that the ban on contraception has created a crisis of conscience among Catholics who on
every other point of faith and morality are obedient servants of the Church but who, as I put it, «find themselves unable to conform their beliefs or practices to Humanae Vitae.»
Not exact matches
On the same
point, I know many, many people
of faith who do not «force» their views on
others, yet instead use their
faith as their guiding principle to share love, kindness, and goodness to
others.
Is it so wrong
of me to have
faith that only one person believes in the drivel that he's posting rather than think that another person a) actually thinks that chad is making good
points and good enough
points to post and b) go to the 62nd page
of an almost defunct article for a conversation that has nothing to do with themselves
other than to cheer on a stupid post?
Some Christians may have blind
faith, but
others of us are actually Christians because that is where the evidence
points.
I'm currently reading the book, When bad Christians happen to Good people bc i've been there & have come full circle... Life church helped me to see that many
of us mistakenly put our
faith in
other Christians instead
of God, but pple are sinners & will fail us at some
point.
So my question to you even before it gets to that
point is the same as I have given to
others, first why do you hate God so much and second what are you afraid
of by switching your
faith and it is by
faith that you believe there is no God to a belief that God does exist he sent his Son Jesus to the world to redeem you from your evil and hateful ways?
What was the
point of bringing Christians into this anyway, like people
of other Faiths don't have the same foolish thoughts.
And
of course the whole
point is not to share with
others what isn't real or true for you, a
point that is not lost on super pastor Rob as we return to the dilemma
of living an honest
faith when you become the latest pastor in demand.
That folks hold the Bible as true, if you ever notice, is normally
pointed out the contradiction by
other persons
of Faith.
At the end
of our lives, some
of us might finish far away from
Point Z perhaps but it took a tremendous amount
of courage and
faith to end up at
Point P. And so we can celebrate any movement towards justice and wholeness in each
other, however far from perfect.
Now, think from the
point of view
of a person
of other religious
faith.
How do you raise your children to be people
of faith without either indoctrinating them to the
point that they can not think for themselves on the one hand or leaving them without a solid foundation on the
other?
Some commenters
pointed out that the introduction
of the crucifix emoji would mean Facebook would be compelled to introduce symbols for
other faiths.
The Magisterium is clearly using Tertullian's lucid and succinct style from his Catholic writings to express the ancient orthodoxy
of the Apostolic
faith on these
points without in any way endorsing his
other, heretical, views.
Worse still — and more to the
point of my concern — the translation
of the one Word
of God into direct social and political terms has meant that the churches neglect the message for which they do have sole responsibility, that which constitutes their specific raison d'etre, and which no
other agency in the world is called on or is competent to proclaim: the gospel
of Holy Scripture which has the power to make people wise unto salvation through
faith in Christ Jesus (2 Timothy 3:15).
And with no imagery available,
other than that
of supernaturalism, to suggest such nuances or sensitive ground for
pointing toward dimensions
of grace or spirit, Christian
faith could mean for the modern consciousness only confidence in the resources
of man's moral idealism.
(A case in
point is that
of a publicly supported, church - related hospital which is the only hospital in town and which refuses to permit certain medically accepted surgical procedures — such as abortion or tubal ligation — which are objectionable to the church but not to the patients
of other faiths or no
faith who depend upon that hospital for health care, and whose tax dollars support it.)
Clive, you
point out how
others often don't understand what Jesus was saying; but while Jesus often labors to try and make things clear to the unbeliever («Oh, you
of little
faith) or at the very least the author tries to make it clear for us in retrospect (At the time they didn't understand that he spoke
of this...), in this case Jesus switches from something that might be figurative to essentially say «no, I seriously mean this» and it concludes not with Jesus saying «don't go away, this is what I actually mean» but confirming that people would refuse to accept that God intended for them to actually fill themselves with the life that He offered so they stopped following him.
I think the
point of this article is to acknowledge that «Christianese» is excluding to
others of different
faiths.
For a long time now the Christian understanding
of man has been obscured by theories
of his nature built on
other dogmas than that
of the sovereignty
of God and constructed out
of observations
of his behavior made from
other points of view than those
of Christian
faith.
(Two Types
of Faith, p. 38 f.) On the
other hand, Buber has recognized and
pointed to the tremendous religious significance
of Jesus as possibly no Jew has heretofore done while remaining firmly planted on the soil
of Judaism.
This
point is similar to the distinction Thomas Aquinas makes between some articles
of faith which are as such secundum se and
others in ordine ad alia (ST 2 - 2, q. 1, a. 6).
@NAH, can rebut each
of Colin's
points in a reasonable manner, specifically let me call out two (both sort
of related)-- the Christianity refers to only 600 years
of history, and only refers to a small geography (not even the entire earth)-- why «leap
of faith» argument is valid for Christianity and not for
other independent
faiths, which have many contradictory beliefs compared to Christianity, and if they are equally valid, how can they all be equally valid
The way in which members
of each
faith can help members
of the
other find a truer balance takes us back to the starting
point of this chapter.
From any
point of view
other than that
of faith, affirmations
pointing, if not beyond history, at least to a history radically transformed, are unthinkable.
well just thinking about these wars in the muslim / mid-east world over religious differences (which may reflect mental states in many ways) in a world where most realize that living in the present moment is best way to happiness and being in the moment in non-strife and awareness through the teachings
of masters such as found in the buddhist, taoist, zen, etc., etc., etc. spriritually based practices
of religious like thought and teachings, etc. that to ask these scientifically educated populace whom have access to vast amounts
of knowledges and understandings on the internet, etc. to believe in past beliefs that perhaps gave basis and inspiration to that which followed — but is not the end all
of all times or knowledges — and is thus — non self - sustaining in a belief that does not encompass growth
of knowledge and understanding
of all truths and being as it is or could be — is to not respect the intelligence and minds and personage
of even themselves — not to be disrespected nor disrespectful in any way — only to
point out that perhaps too much is asked to put
others into the cloak
of blind
faith and adherance to the past that disregards the realities
of the present and the potential
of the future... so you try to live in the past — and destroy your present and your future — where is the intelligence in that — and why do people continually fear monger or allow to be fear — mongered into this destructive vision
of the future based upon the past?
It's a classic moment in Lost history because it perfectly encapsulates John and Jack's characters, and because it
points to a predicament to which we can all relate: Some
of us really struggle to accept things on
faith, while
others seem to find it easy.
If God is not sovereign, in
other words if you are not dependent on Him for everything and if
faith, through which people are saved comes from themselves, what is the
point then
of praying to Him?
As openness to
other points of view allows one to reconcile
faith with pluralism, so openness to the future in the form
of future directed revelation allows one to reconcile
faith with uncertainty.
Such a concession could be exploited by promoters
of rival sources
of knowledge, such as philosophy and religion, who would be quick to
point out that
faith in naturalism is no more «scientific» (i.e., empirically based) than any
other kind
of faith.
«The problem is that you have persisted in an aggressive effort to persuade
other Church members to your
point of view and that your course
of action has threatened to erode the
faith of others.»
To Ken Margo: I am totally agree with you about this evil thing going around the earth... this evil minded people is there everywhere regardless
of faith... that was not what i was trying to say... my
point was to be able to recognize the One True God who is Unseen and who has no partners as He is not in need
of any partners but we the creation is in need
of Him... thats all... I wish I could do something to stop all these taking place around the earth... I think we human fear the fed laws more than we fear the laws
of our Creator, for example not to associate any partner with Him, taking the life
of others, drug dealing, human trafficking, believing in hereafter and so on... I remember a story that I was talking with one
of my friends... I was telling him look we all obey the law
of the land so much like for example when we drive and no one moves even an inch when there is a school bus stop to pick / drop kids as it is a fed laws but when it comes to the laws
of our Creator, we don't care... like having physical relationship outside
of marriage and many more... then he said something nice... he said that its because we see the consequence
of breaking the law
of the land but we do not see the punishment
of hereafter even though it is mentioned very details in Quran, it even gives pictures
of hereafter....
all religion at some
point in time except buddism has persecuted
other faiths in the name
of someone thought up while trippin on some hallucinogen.
Christian
faith is so much
faith and so little sight that its adherents are always seeking for some demonstration which will prove to themselves and
others that it is true, though the demonstration is bound to be somewhat beside the
point — like most miracles — proving not truth but utility, and exhibiting a power which may be that
of God, but may also be that
of faith itself, or
of spiritual forces somewhat less than divine.
By the end
of the Assembly, as Kenneth Slack
pointed out, «most
of the members felt that there was more danger from undue stress on the evangelism
of individuals than the
other way round, despite widely expressed anxiety, given expression by Stott, that liberation in political, social and economic sense was in danger
of replacing salvation from sin at the heart
of the redeeming gospel».73 There was no doubt that, despite the narrowing
of the range
of disagreements, important differences continued, especially with regard to the meaning
of salvation and the program
of dialogue with people
of other faiths.
If at this
point in the central tragedy in our history there had occurred the demonstration
of the power and glory
of the God in whom he trusted; if Elijah had come; if he who saved
others had been saved; if we know not what natural or supernatural event had taken place to deliver this soul
of faith from death and further shame; then might not
faith as universal loyalty and universal trust have been reconstructed among men?
At some
point, it becomes a liability to those who have a vested interest in maintaining their own
faith and the
faith of others.
Referring to the criticism made by Peter Beyerhaus and some
others that in the World Council's emphasis on social and political justice there is present a social utopianism which denies the fact
of sin and affirms a self - redemptive humanism, Thomas admitted that the danger is always present, but
pointed out the opposite danger
of not admitting the fact
of divine grace and the power
of righteousness it releases for a daring
faith in the realms
of social and political action.
But when we see the people on the
other side
of the debate as the enemy (by calling them names, labeling them or demeaning their convictions), we miss the
point of what «fighting for our
faith» is supposed to be about in the first place.
On the
other hand, by viewing the plurality
of faiths from the
point of view
of our central revelatory image, that
of God's self - emptying love, we may effectively confront the temptation to idolatry.
Indeed, everybody holds certain principles
of «elemental
faith»: for example, that the world has some kind
of order to it, and that we have some kind
of moral responsibility Elemental
faith and
other forms
of secular
faith provide «
points of contact» for Christians trying to explain saving
faith.
As disciples speak and live their
faith and hope grounded solely in Jesus Christ, they become for
others signs
of hope,
pointing not to the future secured by human hands, but the one intended by God.
The important
point regarding baptism and its relation to our neighbours
of other faiths or
of no
faith at all, is one such.
[28] See Confessing the One
Faith: An Ecumenical Explication
of the Apostolic
Faith as it is Confessed in the Nicene - Constantinopolitan Creed (381) New Revised Version,
Faith and Order Paper No. 153 (Geneva: WCC Publications, 1991), where in commenting on the creedal article «One baptism for the forgiveness
of sins,» it is
pointed out that «A substantial challenge is made to this confession by the fact that in contrast to the one baptism enunciated in the Creed many Churches, while officially recognizing each
other's baptism, still can not join together in the celebration
of baptism.
Strauss overstated his thesis, but he opened up such a problem for Christianity thereafter that Bishop Stephen Neill, a moderate scholar, wrote in 1964 that «this book marked, as few
others have done, a turning
point in the history
of the Christian
faith».4
Yet, as the evangelists
point out, the
other aspect
of the identification is equally important: the Christ
of faith can not be separated from the historical Jesus, if we do not wish to find «a myth in the place
of history, a heavenly being in the place
of the Nazarene».
I'm not going to address the
other possible means
of determining that all religious
faith is delusion, because at this
point I think you'll either think I have a good
point or call me a lunatic (and if you're calling me a lunatic, I've done my job well).
How is it that some congregations turn their concerns away from their own survival toward the needs
of their local situation, mount credible programs
of education and retain an ecumenical spirit to the
point of dialogue with Jewish and
other faiths?
Phrygian to me i sense that you are struggling with issues in your mind that you cant reconcile and these issues are affecting what you believe in your heart and therefore your
faith in God.I had something similar happen to me recently regarding the story
of the demon possessed man at one
point the demons begged Jesus to cast them into the pigs does that mean that Jesus was implicated with the work
of satan.It cast my mind into doubt and then i began to question who God is.I prayed and sort the holy spirit for an answer the answer i got was that Gods character never changes he is always holy righteous and sovereign why else would satan ask for his permission.So the answer was that he allowed satans purpose to prevail so that we can see that satans intention is always to destroy it may well have been that the pigs were his anyway.As they were for the gentile nations who offered the pigs to their demon Gods.Just as satan can not change who he is the destroyer the thief the liar God can not change who he is when we realise that despite what we see going on in the world God is still the same yesterday today and forever.The time is coming when those that have hurt
others will be judged for there wickedness as we serve a holy and just God.Just as it was in the times
of Noah so it is with this this generation that as the wickedness reachs its zenith then the Lord will return to judge the nations.He is coming again and we need to be ready it is not a time to be caught sleeping.brentnz
See, No - Such... folks on the Atheist side have been
pointing out acts in history and have been declaring that Christianity and
other Faiths should be judged on the acts
of the Faithful in the past.