Not exact matches
But from an email conversation with Francis, Vavrus, and several
other atmospheric scientists this week, it became clear that there may be more questions
than answers at this point, given the large amount of
natural variability that affects winter weather patterns, and the very short observational record of how the atmosphere responded to extreme losses of sea ice (only five winters of records since 2007).
The absence of convincing attribution of periods
other than 1976 - present to anthropogenic forcing leaves
natural climate
variability as the cause — some combination of solar (including solar indirect effects), uncertain volcanic forcing,
natural internal (intrinsic
variability) and possible unknown unknowns.
Doing it that way would just be less sophisticated and informative, because in some places 1.8 degrees would just by nature of the local
natural variability be exceeded much more easily
than in some
other places, so using that kind of threshold would not be as «fair» and even - handed as the 3 - sigma threshold.
[Dr. Carling has] the complete lack of appreciation of the importance of
natural variability on short time scales, the -LSB-...] erroneous belief that any attribution of past climate change to -LSB-...]
other [
than CO2] forcing means that CO2 has no radiative effect, and a hopeless lack of familiarity of the basic science of detection and attribution.
I take
natural in this instance to be anything
other than anthropogenic, and
variability to be a synonym for change.
The
other forecasts, such as for hurricanes, rainfall, and snow cover, are not significantly different
than under
natural variability, and will advance more slowly
than the decadal oscillations.
Suppose someone considered that farming and
other land develop such as urban centers, and
natural variability was bigger effect on global temperature
than CO2?
Then the question becomes: how likely is it that we have simultaneously overestimated the effect of GHGs by a factor of more
than 2, and that some combination of
natural internal
variability and errors in our estimates of the
other external forcings can combine to make up the difference?
But what is the mechanism by which «
natural variability» could be more important
than this, or, I guess, the mechanism by which CO2 might stop accumulating (
other than by cutting CO2 emissions)?
For the period 1850 - 1900, the emissions were a lot smaller
than the
natural variability, thus nature has been a sink in some years and a source in
other years.
From where I'm standing - looking at the actual available evidence - I believe
natural variability will continue to be the dominant factor as we have little evidence (
other than modelled hypothesis) to suggest otherwise.
Mr Jarraud said: «
Natural climate
variability, caused in part by interactions between our atmosphere and oceans — as evidenced by El Niño and La Niña events — means that some years are cooler
than others.
It doesn't mean that there can't be any
natural variability that appears as wobbles in the temperature record (or in
other climate variables), masking the multi-decadal temperature trend over a time scale shorter
than 20 years with the effect that the longer term trend is not statistically detectable in the time series, if one chooses the time period only short enough.
Jan Perlwitz says:» It doesn't mean that there can't be any
natural variability that appears as wobbles in the temperature record (or in
other climate variables), masking the multi-decadal temperature trend over a time scale shorter
than 20 years with the effect that the longer term trend is not statistically detectable in the time series, if one chooses the time period only short enough.»
But interpretation isn't easy, since internal
variability and forcings (
natural and anthropogenic)
other than CO2 can move individual points up and down on the temperature axis without any movement left or right along the cumulative CO2 emissions axis.
Because weather patterns vary, causing temperatures to be higher or lower
than average from time to time due to factors like ocean processes, cloud
variability, volcanic activity, and
other natural cycles, scientists take a longer - term view in order to consider all of the year - to - year changes.
In terms of reasons for model underestimation, the apparent «preferred» explanation of «the ocean ate it» does not get any play here,
other than in context of a brief consideration of
natural internal
variability.
Max Anacker and
others have demonstrated peak CO2 well under two doublings and anything like 1 degree C / doubling leaves AnthroCO2 effect weaker
than natural variability.
But from an email conversation with Francis, Vavrus, and several
other atmospheric scientists this week, it became clear that there may be more questions
than answers at this point, given the large amount of
natural variability that affects winter weather patterns, and the very short observational record of how the atmosphere responded to extreme losses of sea ice (only five winters of records since 2007).
Cherry picking segments within the
natural variability proves noting
other than the fact that limited views are often the products of limited minds.
Second, the uncertainty of Anthro is substantially less
than the uncertainty of the
other four (including
Natural forcings (Nat), and Internal
Variability (Intern Var), which have an uncertainty about that of Anthro, but centered on, or very near zero) because their uncertainties are not independent.
I'd agree with you (and so would many
others) that «the climate in the UK is probably more variable
than most, so any recent cold winters are more likely to be due to
natural variability than any underlying trend».
Natural Variability Doesn't Account for Observed Temperature Increase In it's press release announcement, NASA points out that while there are
other factors
than greenhouse gases contributing to the amount of warming observed — changes in the sun's irradiance, oscillations of sea surface temperatures in the tropics, changes in aerosol levels in the atmosphere — these factors are not sufficient to account for the temperature increases observed since 1880.
The «pause» discussion continues (see RC for a summary of recent coverage), which seems a bit silly to me, because it isn't really a «pause» at all, just a continued anthropogenically - forced warming with some
other (anthropogenic and
natural) forcings and internal
variability added on, such that the trend is a little lower
than most expected.