If it's presented properly, it should be understandable by people with a technical background
other than climate science — and there are quite a few of those people — and many of them are on the conservative side of politics.
I think you should follow your own advice - «I would advise focusing on something
other than climate science» because this is a science forum and your manufactured dire predictions are not appropriate.
Your basic problem seems to be a childlike confusion between how science ought to work — and how sciences
other than climate science (with no political dimension) work — and how climate science is actually financed and works.
Any area
other than climate science that impacts government policy should be subject to these rules also.
What to say about this,
other than the climate science world is upside down?
Has it every been used in any field of science
other than climate science?
Not exact matches
Some subpopulations of yellow warblers may be genetically better equipped to adapt to
climate changes
than others, according to a new study in the January 5 issue of
Science.
While there was a lot of interesting
science in this paper (the new methodology, the range of results etc.) which fully justified its appearance in Nature, we were quite critical of their basic conclusion — that
climate sensitivities significantly higher
than the standard range (1.5 — 4.5 ºC) were plausible — because there is significant
other data, predominantly from paleo -
climate, that pretty much rule those high numbers out (as we discussed again recently).
To this kind of lie, there is no effective reply
other than to put out positive reliable information about
climate science.
Located at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, the NERSC Center serves more
than 6,000 scientists at national laboratories and universities researching a wide range of problems in combustion,
climate modeling, fusion energy, materials
science, physics, chemistry, computational biology, and
other disciplines.
For example, some states prohibited districts from spending Title I on school
climate supports, counselors,
science, or
other costs
other than reading and math, even though that wasn't required by federal law and didn't reflect state policy priorities.
These three
climate phenomena have produced the uniquely long - lasting surge in water temperature that is attracting tuna and
other fish much closer to shore — and much farther north
than they would normally swim, said Toby Garfield, director of the environmental research division at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Southwest Fisheries
Science Center in La Jolla.
While there was a lot of interesting
science in this paper (the new methodology, the range of results etc.) which fully justified its appearance in Nature, we were quite critical of their basic conclusion — that
climate sensitivities significantly higher
than the standard range (1.5 — 4.5 ºC) were plausible — because there is significant
other data, predominantly from paleo -
climate, that pretty much rule those high numbers out (as we discussed again recently).
Your very presence on the
other side of the
climate debate does more to validate the
science than anything else you could do.
That was part of the logic for why so many folks have been keen to make a big push on soot and
other SLCPs [short - lived
climate pollutants]-- the piece that Charlie Kennel, Ram Ramanathan and I had in Foreign Affairs a couple years ago lays out the POLITICAL logic for action in that area as well as the new
science showing that SLCPs are more important
than previously thought.
This tribal theory applies to peoples political affiliations such as liberal or conservative, or membership of
other social groups, and we know liberals do tend to accept
climate science more
than conservatives from polls by Pew Research etc, although its not black and white.
As I was interviewing as many scientists and
other experts as I could find, I came to realize that the
science around biomass's
climate impacts is much less murky
than it's made to seem.
Or, perhaps, NCAR believes that institutions
other than itself would be better suited to enter into discussions on how
science should be applied in formulation of national policies or should influence individual household decisions when either
climate or weather is a factor.
He's both wrong in how he portrays my views of
climate science and, to my mind, failing to recognize there can be more
than one approach — in communication, technology, politics and
other arenas — aimed at a common goal: in this case improving humanity's intensifying two - way relationship with the
climate system.
So, allow me to bounce the question back to you: Is there anything * skeptics * agree upon
other than «
climate science (and / or the IPCC summary of the current state of knowledge of
climate) is wrong»?
I mean after all, conservative authorities like Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, Beck, Malkin and
others know far more about
climate science than....
These
science / environment stories compete for attention with stories not just in
science but across
other political and social issues: the Holland / Webster study came out at comparatively less crowded time for
climate issues
than the Vecchi / Soden study.
The
other point is that so far, it seems to me that the progression of assessment reports and
climate science studies in general seems to keep indicating «it's worse
than we thought.»
3) Ad Hominem (questioning the motive rather
than the facts): The fact that some people use the issue of
climate change to pursue
other agendas has no relevance to the accuracy of the
science.
[Dr. Carling has] the complete lack of appreciation of the importance of natural variability on short time scales, the -LSB-...] erroneous belief that any attribution of past
climate change to -LSB-...]
other [
than CO2] forcing means that CO2 has no radiative effect, and a hopeless lack of familiarity of the basic
science of detection and attribution.
• disagreement in
climate science is more violent
than other fields where there is much disagreement and high societal stakes (e.g. economics).
Rather
than genuflecting about how the scientific method should work, just step up to the plate, cast off the veil of infallibility so common to
climate science and work with
others to improve the state of knowledge.
Each of the four authors of the
Science Bulletin paper has a lively and expert academic interest in our subject, and we wrote our paper because we considered — rightly, as events have turned out (for there have already been more
than 22,500 downloads either of the abstract or of the full paper)-- that
other researchers would find our simple model of the
climate interesting and helpful.
Disagreement in
climate science is certainly more violent
than in (at least most)
other fields.
Moreover, the error was spotted initially by none
other than Steve McIntyre, who has been a thorn in the side of the IPCC and
climate science -LSB-...]
Moreover, the error was spotted initially by none
other than Steve McIntyre, who has been a thorn in the side of the IPCC and
climate science generally for a long time.
Whether peer review is
climate science is any worse
than in
other physical
sciences is another question.
Now everyone who follows
climate science a bit, would probably agree that next to
climate sensitivity the
other important field where research suggests we may need to think in slightly different numbers
than we used to is sea level rise.
5) To what extent is
climate science different
than any
other research field, or even any
other profession, w / r / t the level of «intimidation» people feel about expressing their opinions when they run against more prevalent viewpoints within their profession?
But 73 percent of museum visitors said that they would like to learn more about
climate change and that they trusted informal
science institutions more
than any
other source to provide that information.
And, when it comes to perceptions of
other influences on
climate research, Republicans with high or medium levels of
science knowledge are more likely
than those with low
science knowledge to say that
climate scientists» political leanings influence their research findings.
Corn ethanol receives billions in subsidies despite conclusive
science indicating its inefficient production provides little or no additional energy
other than what is used for its production, and its ecological destructiveness in terms of land, water and
climate.
I doubt that in general that
climate science and the politics related to it are any different
than that for
other sciences.
I do it in my own time and off my own back, but I like to think that someone somewhere will occasionally believe me rather
than you when I say that your and
other's characterisation of software quality in
climate science is inaccurate.
In May, 2015, Advertising Standards Canada, a voluntary industry group that does not enforce its decisions
other than through public suasion ruled, following 96 public complaints, that two Friends of
Science billboards in Montreal stating: «The Sun is the Main Driver of
Climate Change.
The physical evidence for man - made global warming has never been demonstrated - evidence that many of us trained in the
sciences have been waiting.When some scientists suggest that
other forces
other than man - made CO2 may be involved with the
climate, like the Sun, the clouds, the oceans, natural sources of CO2, etc., they are met with scorn and derision.
«More
than two - thirds of all authors of chapter 9 of the IPCC's 2007
climate -
science assessment are part of a clique whose members have co-authored papers with each
other... the majority of scientists who are skeptical of a human influence on
climate significant enough to be damaging to the planet were unrepresented in the authorship of chapter 9.»
Climate science has unintentionally become one of the most significant fronts in the socioeconomic - political struggle to develop a sustainable better future for humanity, a struggle to correct incorrect developments that have developed powerful defences, particularly through regionally temporarily successful misleading marketing appeals to developed temptations for more potential personal benefit rather
than desiring to be more helpful to
others and the future of humanity.
For instance, Monbiot has it that «Between 2000 and 2002 [TASSC] received $ 30,000 from Exxon», and that this same organisation (The Advancement of Sound
Science Coalition) «has done more damage to the campaign to halt [
CLIMATE CHANGE]
than any
other body»... If donations of just $ 10,000 dollars can buy the effect Monbiot is claiming TASSC achieved with it over three years, why on earth would anyone pay for far more expensive comment drones?
So, meteorologists should know the
science behind the causes of
climate change better
than most
other scientists.
More
than 31,000 scientists across the US, «including more
than 9,000 PhD.s in fields such as atmospheric
science, climatology, Earth
science, environment and dozens of
other specialties, have signed a petition rejecting «global warming,» the assumption that the human production of greenhouse gases is damaging Earth's
climate.
The
other 80 % [in mainstream
climate science] though does disprove the theory that the earth is not warming, that moonbeams are a stronger influence on
climate than CO2 etc. etc..
My
climate enemies have done scientific and
other academic frauds; they've destroyed, withheld and pretended to misplace scientific data in order to prevent the human race discovering things about nature; they've forged documents to frame people they don't like; mendaciously and publicly accused innocent people of deplorable crimes that carry prison sentences; betrayed the trust reposed in their professions by fraudulently abrogating to themselves the magical competence to diagnose entire swathes of the (perfectly healthy) population with thought disorders just to score points in an academic bitch fight; deliberately and self - servingly lied to * massive * audiences about the way
science itself works —
than which I can't for the life of me think of a greater crime against humanity in the recent history of the developed world, can you Joe?
The AVHRR data was made available only after a Materials Complaint to Nature (which, despite criticism, is taking a harder line on data obstruction by
climate scientists
than Science and some
other journals.)
Seems to me in hindsight that some prominent properties of current sceptics include — worked many years evaluating technical reports, commonly to approve or reject budget requests from
others — many from industry or military rather
than academia — careers that promote you for delivering the goods, like making profit — worked in positions requiring accountability — often with a degree in humanities as well as
science / engineering, allowing interest in social conduct — education more often degrees short of PhD — old enough to have gained some wisdom — realistic about the horror of climategate and its whitewashes — appreciative of the rigour and good spirit of
Climate Audit