This is exactly what would be expected from surface warming mediated by greenhouse gases or
any other warming mechanism.
Not exact matches
Unlike fruit flies, humans and
other warm - blooded animals do have a
mechanism for adjusting internal temperatures.
The research performed at the Weizmann Institute of Science shows that part of this will be due to the
mechanism they demonstrated, and the
other part is tied to the fact that storms are born at a higher latitude in a
warmer world.
These
other mechanisms include a net release of energy over regions that are cooler during a natural, unforced
warming event.
Other research in Europe has shown that plants can shift another
mechanism that controls their response to climate: vernalization, or the length of the cold snap required before a plant will respond to a
warm spell as a growth signal.
He and
other researchers haven't yet nailed down the
mechanism that connects Arctic
warming to cold, snowy winters in the northeast.
All the models I've seen rely on the assumption that an increase in atmospheric greenhouse gases will necessarily increase the long - term average temperature of the globe and that all the
other mechanisms that cause or counteract
warming are understood and modeled fairly accurately.
b) There is some
other mechanism of producing global
warming that has been active in the past, but occurs by a
mechanism that is not included in current models, and which doesn't have anything to do with CO2, and this, rather than CO2, is responsible for the
warming seen in the instrumental record (and whatever that
mechanism is, it is temporary and will go away by itself Real Soon Now).
All the models I've seen rely on the assumption that an increase in atmospheric greenhouse gases will necessarily increase the long - term average temperature of the globe and that all the
other mechanisms that cause or counteract
warming are understood and modeled fairly accurately.
And if industrializing countries seek an economic advantage by evading those standards, I would work with the European Union and
other like - minded governments that plan to address the global
warming problem to develop a cost equalization
mechanism to apply to those countries that decline to enact a similar cap.
A General Agreement on Climate Change (GACC) would consist of core agreements on allowable national contributions to global
warming over time and would enable a wide range of
other agreements on technology transfer, funding
mechanisms and
other issues as needed to accommodate the interests of nations.
If your study shows global
warming kills toads, it has a much better chance of making it into Nature than if you identify some
other causal
mechanism.
Could
other mechanisms contribute to the
warm pool, such as differences in cloud cover?
There are
other mechanisms affecting the temperature of the
warm pool, however, like variations in evaporation rate.
The excessive
warming, on the
other hand, is based on a somewhat more nerdy
mechanism that has been known to experts for some time: if the AMOC weakens, the Gulf Stream shifts closer to the coast.
-- A pair of top - notch economists, Robert Stavins of Harvard University and Richard Schmalensee of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, urge policy makers not to discard market - based approaches to global
warming and
other environmental problems because of the death of efforts to pass a climate bill centered on a cap - and - trade
mechanism for cutting emissions.
Did you know that Dr. Mann has said that models indicate that increased
warming must come from the increase in CO2 because the models show no
other mechanism?
Note that during both the Eemian and MIS11, CO2 levels were lower than they are today, which strongly suggests a polar
warming / melting
mechanism other than CO2.
Dr. Mann in the initial few seconds of your link did NOT say «models indicate that increased
warming must come from the increase in CO2 because the models show no
other mechanism».
The
other possibility is that the models are wrong, the quantification of the
warming in the north is wrong and the
mechanisms are not understood, these unknown
mechanisms are causing a much more rapid
warming, that they asymmetrically affect the north and not the south, and - for reasons I don't see but which I'm sure are very good - you are convinced these
mechanisms are driven by global
warming.
What I have always read is that previous
warmings were originally caused by
other factors but were amplified over time by CO2 as a feedback
mechanism.
Thus, the
mechanisms (terminus thinning and subsurface
warming) don't seem to rule each
other out, and both might be adding to the overall observed result.
Previous large natural oscillations are important to examine: however, 1) our data isn't as good with regards to external forcings or to historical temperatures, making attribution more difficult, 2) to the extent that we have solar and volcanic data, and paleoclimate temperature records, they are indeed fairly consistent with each
other within their respective uncertainties, and 3) most
mechanisms of internal variability would have different fingerprints: eg, shifting of warmth from the oceans to the atmosphere (but we see
warming in both), or simultaneous
warming of the troposphere and stratosphere, or shifts in global temperature associated with major ocean current shifts which for the most part haven't been seen.
Lewis's level of certainty given how complex he has to make his analysis, and that it just doesn't hold up to the
warming rate since 1970, where he would need to invoke a second
warming mechanism to account for the
other half.
Maybe those
mechanisms operated in the past to produce... oh,
warming comes to mind, and
other measurable changes, like maybe the dust bowl.
Other than the melting of land ice (which would have to involve
warming of course) I can not think of another
mechanism, can you?
While I acknowledge that the levels of carbon dioxide and
other greenhouse gases in our atmosphere are increasing, that climate change is real, that human activity plays a role in these changes and that these changes are impacting our state, I simply disagree that RGGI is an effective
mechanism for addressing global
warming.
In
other words, many of the models include no
mechanism for natural global
warming.
The causal case is a cumulative case of: 1) correlation + 2) well - evidenced
mechanism (i.e. plausibility) + 3) primacy, where the proposed cause occurs before the effect + 4) robustness of the correlation under multiple tests / conditions + 5) experimental evidence that adding the cause subsequently results in the effect + 6) exclusion of
other likely causes (see point 7 as well) + 7) specificity, where the effect having hallmarks of the cause (ex: the observed tropospheric
warming and stratopsheric cooling, is a hallmark of greenhouse - gas - induced
warming, not
warming from solar forcing) 8) a physical gradient (or a dose - response), where more of the cause produces a larger effect, or more of the cause is more likely to produce the effect +....
Lets look at real planets which are always
warmer than interstellar space, and real atmospheres where at the base (troposphere) heat transport by convection dominates all
other mechanisms by a huge margin.
So SE, and several
others, have asked what
other mechanism is causing OHC to rise when the atmosphere is not
warming.
This
mechanism should provide that any government's positions on their climate change commitments can be questioned by
other governments and NGOs in regard to the adequacy of the commitment to achieve a
warming limit and the fairness of the reductions.
Unlike water vapor, CO2 has no
other mechanism beside its greenhouse effect by which it might cause
warming.
Two
mechanisms which must, surely, lead to different patterns of
warming, with one heating the atmosphere and the
other heating the surface.
Sphaerica writes, in part, «Also, kindly explain the
mechanism (
other than hand waving, magic, and climate gremlins) that is actually causing the
warming.
You still keep stating that there is no specific such thing as AGW but in the
other thread you demonstrated that you don't d not even understand the
mechanism by which CO2
warms the atmosphere so clearly you are not (yet) bringing any meaningful discussion on that point.
Mathematically, then, how much of the
warming since 1880 has been caused by humans by
mechanisms other than anthropogenic CO2?
WHEN the skin layer is
warmer than the water below (and not mixed by the wind), there is no obvious
mechanism (
other than very slow conduction) for AGG - enhanced DLR to penetrate the ocean.
And even if this
mechanism was shown to occur in the atmosphere,
other climatologists say this wouldn't mean it caused our current state of global
warming.
E.g., research assumes greenhouse gas emissions cause
warming without explicitly stating humans are the cause»... carbon sequestration in soil is important for mitigating global climate change» (4a) No position Does not address or mention the cause of global
warming (4b) Uncertain Expresses position that human's role on recent global
warming is uncertain / undefined «While the extent of human - induced global
warming is inconclusive...» (5) Implicit rejection Implies humans have had a minimal impact on global
warming without saying so explicitly E.g., proposing a natural
mechanism is the main cause of global
warming»... anywhere from a major portion to all of the
warming of the 20th century could plausibly result from natural causes according to these results» (6) Explicit rejection without quantification Explicitly minimizes or rejects that humans are causing global
warming»... the global temperature record provides little support for the catastrophic view of the greenhouse effect» (7) Explicit rejection with quantification Explicitly states that humans are causing less than half of global
warming «The human contribution to the CO2 content in the atmosphere and the increase in temperature is negligible in comparison with
other sources of carbon dioxide emission»»
In particular: i) the emphasis on reconstructions of historical temperature records; ii) the over-sensitivity of climate models; iii) the exaggeration of positive feedback
mechanisms and the opposite with respect to negative feedbacks; iv) the over-statement of second and Nth - order effects of
warming on natural processes and society as «impacts»; v) the IPCC reports are not written exclusively by scientists, but in the case of WGII and WGIII especially, are, as has been discovered — by sceptics — written by academics from
other disciplines, often without any remarkable expertise, and by activists, with particular agendas.
It was «el Nino modoki», meaning
warming of the equatorial mid Pacific by some
mechanism other than the Bjerknes feedback.
The «radiation only» equilibrium models do not address the
other issue that the layers of the surface and atmosphere can
warm at different rates because they have a different mix of cooling
mechanisms.
In order to explain how much
warming is due to that identified
mechanism, all of the
other mechanisms affecting
warming and cooling must be identified and quantified.
It seems to me in the last year / few years we are seeing more papers shed light on «new» positive feedback
mechanisms coming into play on the planetary scale, whether it is the MacDougall paper mentioned in the article, or the recent paper on
warmer and higher vapor pressure vegetation and trees losing water to a
warmer atmosphere, or many
others.
In
other words will the small amount of
warming cause the powerful GHGs (like water vapour) to increase the amount
warmed or is the climate system stable such that there are feedback
mechanisms which works to dampen and / maintain the climate in a «steady state».
To me this has always suggested some
other mechanism for solar influence and a possible understating of the sun's role in recent
warming, since the same Be10 proxy has shown high activity for the last hundred or so years.
For example, the argument that follows very substantially from the extent of continental shelf that there is within the Arctic Basin and, therefore, the particular relationship that
warming on that relatively shallow sea has on trapped methane - for example, the emergence of methane plumes in that continental shelf, apparently in quite an anomalous way - leading possibly to the idea that there may be either tipping points there or catastrophic feedback
mechanisms there, which could then have
other effects on things, such as more stabilised caps like the Greenland ice cap and so on.
«but can not rule out substantial
warming from
other causes such as solar forcing and internal multi-decadal ocean oscillations owing to the circular reasoning and to the lack of convincing attribution
mechanisms for the
warming during 1910 - 1940 and the cooling during the 1940's and 1950's.»
I would say the present
warming rate is consistent with CO2 and significant feedback, and
other evidence like stratospheric cooling corroborates the
mechanism, while disproving ocean or solar explanations.