But one should not read into these three divisions some sort of classification about whether or not
people have eternal life.
I believe that once
a person has eternal life, they always have eternal life.
The approval of God has nothing to do with whether or not
a person has eternal life, but instead has to do with whether or not God's finds a person useful and honest in their dealings with others.
Such teachers argue that if you want to know whether
a person has eternal life or not, all you have to do is look at how much fruit they produce.
Eternal Security is the belief that once
a person has eternal life, they have it forever, no matter what.
All I am saying is that according to Scripture, if
a person has eternal life, then they have eternal life eternally.
Not exact matches
Christians believe that a mortal
person has an immortal soul, and that this immortal soul can be provided with a resurrected, «sanctified» (which effectively means purified, unblemished, and apparently lacking genitalia) body... the term
Eternal Life tends to be used to describe the idea that a «True Believer» in Christ (a term open to many, many interpretations) will
have their immortal soul implanted in that resurrected body and they will get to
live for all time with Christ, apparently singing a lot and doing very little else.
ddeev... I
have always been curious about
people that deemed
eternal life more desirable than reality.
A God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could
have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter
life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels
eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless
lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice, and invented hell - mouths mercy, and invented hell - mouths Golden Rules and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other
people, and
has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites his poor abused slave to worship him!
Without a Triune God there
would be no understanding of
people having one day, an
eternal life!
If a
person goes to church, reads their Bible, and calls themselves a Christian, but
has never believed in Jesus for
eternal life (John 3:16; 5:24; 6:47), then they
have not received the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Depending on who you read, most Christians
have between five and ten propositions which they say constitute the entire gospelm, all of which must be believed for a
person to receive
eternal life.
Craig that was exactly my understanding however if we believe that in that traditional sense a
person could lose there
eternal life by there actions by not walking in the Lord which i do nt think is right as
eternal life is a free gift from God not based on works.Jeremys definition is that we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ to
eternal life.I believe the term salvation
has the meaning to be saved not necesarily to
eternal life but saved from ourselves Christ gives us the power to be transformed into his likeness or to be Christ like.In the
eternal picture our actions determine how we are rewarded from God although its not the motivation of the reward but because we love the Lord.regards brent
Do you
have a particular group of
person in mind, or could you give some examples of who believe that the gospel is only «believe in Jesus for
eternal life»?
First, the
person may stop resisting, and submit to what the Holy Spirit is saying, and so,
having understood that they are a sinner and in need of salvation because judgment is coming, they will believe in Jesus Christ for
eternal life.
A
person does not need to believe that Jesus is God to receive
eternal life, but why
would they believe in Jesus unless they believed Jesus was God?
Lots of
people have «
lived as a Christian» for years, but never actually believed in Jesus for
eternal life.
You
have to believe in the right
person for the right thing, namely, you
have to believe in Jesus for
eternal life (John 3:16; 5:24; 6:47).
Sure, we can assume that they believe that if
people believe in Jesus for
eternal life that those
people will get it, but the demons themselves can not believe in Jesus for
eternal life, because
eternal life has not been offered to them by Jesus.
Only one theological position
has ever resulted in the Romans 6:1 question, and it is the position which says that
eternal life is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, and that once a
person has received
eternal life in this way, it can never be lost.And when we realize the truth of this, it is incredibly liberating.
He must
have never been a Christian in the first place, or maybe He
had eternal life, but he lost it, but one thing is for sure, there is no way that
person will be in heaven.»
But if a
person truly did believe in Jesus Christ alone for
eternal life, and later fell away, I believe they still
have eternal life, and God is actively working to restore such a
person into fellowship with Him and other believers.
While I
would agree that
people can not take the first step toward God, I believe that God
has taken steps to enable
people to believe in Jesus for
eternal life, and that this faith is not meritorious.
As seen above, Calvinists sometimes argue that faith
would be meritorious if
people could believe in Jesus for
eternal life, and therefore, faith is a work.
So, right here, in Scripture, we
have examples of
people who did not believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus, but who did
have eternal life because they believed in Jesus for it.
Others
have noticed this same thing, and we receive daily e-mails and phone calls from
people saying they are prayerfully supporting Bob Wilkin, myself, and the ministry of Grace Evangelical Society as we continue to present the offer of
eternal life to all who believe in Jesus for it.
So, with the help of the spirit, and in light of a relationship we
have with a
person, we share with them whatever is necessary to help them believe in Jesus for
eternal life.
Jesus will not return to earth until every
person on earth
has heard the good news of
eternal life.
Being «in» Christ is a special New Testament concept for
people who
have believed in Jesus for
eternal life.
Yes, faith is a function of the will, but since the will
has the ability to function, it is not unreasonable for God to invite
people to believe in Jesus for
eternal life.
Others teach a form of Christian reincarnation so that before a
person's
eternal life is finally determined, they get to
live a
life in which they
have the opportunity to hear and respond to the Gospel.
All
people have the ability to respond to the light of revelation that they
have received, and if
people respond, God
has obligated Himself to make sure that they receive more light so that they too may believe in Jesus for
eternal life.
If we can understand how Jewish
people were saved prior to the death and resurrection of Jesus, then we can begin to answer how other
people around the world may be able to receive
eternal life before they
have heard about Jesus.
I think that as
people respond to the revelation they
have received, God obligates Himself to provide more revelation to them, so that they receive enough revelation from God to either accept the offer of eternal life by faith alone, or to reject such an offer (See What About Those Who Have Never Heard the Gospe
have received, God obligates Himself to provide more revelation to them, so that they receive enough revelation from God to either accept the offer of
eternal life by faith alone, or to reject such an offer (See What About Those Who
Have Never Heard the Gospe
Have Never Heard the Gospel?).
So when I am talking with someone, I will often take a little gospel of John, I prefer the ones called
Living Water since they
have little notes that remind me what verses are key, and what the verses mean, and in just a minute or two, can show a
person from Scripture that to get
eternal life, all they
have to do is believe in Jesus for it.
The difference between faith and works, of course, is that while the latter are «works» and no one can
have enough works to earn or merit
eternal life, faith is not a work, is not meritorious, and does not help a
person earn or gain
eternal life.
When the gospel, the kingdom of God, and the offer of
eternal life are rightly proclaimed, they
have great drawing power to all who are unregenerate, for they contain the light and
life that
people have been searching for, but not finding.
Many
people search the Bible for in them they think they
have eternal life, but when we bring them the Scriptures they don't believe us (John 5:38,39).
It is in others nature to believe in the spirit and
eternal life, it requires faith - a gift that these
people do not
have.
But if the Book of
Life contains the names of people who have eternal life, then when Revelation 3:5 talks about blotting someone's name out of the book of life, does this mean it is possible to lose eternal l
Life contains the names of
people who
have eternal life, then when Revelation 3:5 talks about blotting someone's name out of the book of life, does this mean it is possible to lose eternal l
life, then when Revelation 3:5 talks about blotting someone's name out of the book of
life, does this mean it is possible to lose eternal l
life, does this mean it is possible to lose
eternal lifelife?
If it
has no bearing on how
people receive
eternal life, why
would John bother to write it as a way to tell
people how to receive
eternal life (John 20:30 - 31)?
When
people believe that the word anathema, or accursed, means «going to hell when you die,» they think that Paul is wishing he could go to hell if only all his fellow Israelites
would receive
eternal life instead.
Of course, for most
people, before they can ever believe in Jesus for
eternal life, they need to
have other beliefs about themselves, the existence and nature of God, and some other biblical truths.
If
people believe in Jesus for
eternal life, they
have it!
Yet when most
people are reading their Bibles (and they
have their spiritual - colored glasses on), and read about some sort of sin that brings death, they put a spiritual twist on it, and think it is referring to spiritual death, or losing your
eternal life, or something like that.
Today as i was thinking about Jesus sending the demons into the pigs and i thought God is not punishing but judging and he made a decision.This idea came from your other discussion which i believe is what he does he decides to make a judgement call he is sovereign and it shows his tender heart and mercy that not a single
person was afflicted.The pigs unlike men
have no soul so
have no
eternal consequence upon them they
live and they die.either way they were going to get killed.We can be assured that Gods judgements are right and just the pork was going to the gentile nations who worshipped other Gods and no doubt
would have been offered to idols so there is a consequence when we disobey the Laws of God even even when we do nt know or understand his laws.brentnz
It can leave many
people thinking that they are going to heaven because they
have «prayed a prayer» yet never understood that
eternal life is received by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.
The ten
people who already
have eternal life and who know the basics of the faith so they can read the Bible and learn to follow Jesus on their own, or the ten
people who are standing with one foot in hell, are wrapped in the chains of the devil, and are pleading and praying to God, if He is out there, to send help in their time of need?
Nowhere is the author making the point that if
people sin willfully, or even if they return to an empty form of religion which accomplished nothing, that this proves that they do not
have eternal life, lost their
eternal life, or never
had it in the first place.
This
would then
have nothing to do with whether or not the unregenerate
person could understand the offer of
eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ, and believe in Him as a result.