Here is the problem with Mr. Zwick's point in actual application: Increasingly, many
people on both sides of the climate debate have decided that the folks on the other side are not people of goodwill.
... puts him at odds with «most
people on either side of the climate debate», he in fact alienates himself.
With those two rather innocuous statements, I have just alienated most
people on either side of the climate debate.
Not exact matches
But it does suggest that if both
sides of the
debate paid close attention to the social consequences
of policies, rather than the present intractable
debate on the reality
of AGW, then we might get to a point where we can agree
on some action — you might think it is pointless with regard to the
climate (but a substantial proportion
of people think it will), but if it produces some other good outcomes it might be ok.
But it does suggest that if both
sides of the
debate paid close attention to the social consequences
of policies, rather than the present intractable
debate on the reality
of AGW, then we might get to a point where we can agree
on some action — you might think it is pointless with regard to the
climate (but a substantial proportion
of people think it will), but if it produces some other good outcomes it might be OK.
Climate Depot «Bridges the
Climate Divide»: «Thanks to Morano,
people on opposite
sides of debate are now hearing each other out»
Many
people on the skeptical
side of the
climate debate see Jerry Ravetz» «postnormal science» as part
of the problem, indeed the man himself as responsible in large part for formulations such as those
of the late Stephen Schneider regarding making a judgement about the balance between truth and effectiveness.
Climate Depot «Bridges the
Climate Divide»: «Thanks to Morano,
people on opposite
sides of debate are now hearing each other out» — Morano's «got a huge audience and platform.
In
climate science, it is not hard to put names
on «
people»
on both
sides of the global warming
debate.
I know, for instance, why there are smarter and more knowledgeable
people than me
on the «wrong»
side of the
climate debate.
There are many smart, informed
people on the
climate skeptic
side of the
debate (see here).
But ironically, that only reinforces the main theme that I post
on: (1) political ideology is largely determinative in how
people align themselves in the
climate debate and, (2) being that most posters at Climate Etc. are on the «skeptical» side of the debate, this site is solid evidence that rudeness and closed - mindedness (as represented by accusations of trollhood and thread - jacking) is equally well - represented on both sides of the climate
climate debate and, (2) being that most posters at
Climate Etc. are on the «skeptical» side of the debate, this site is solid evidence that rudeness and closed - mindedness (as represented by accusations of trollhood and thread - jacking) is equally well - represented on both sides of the climate
Climate Etc. are
on the «skeptical»
side of the
debate, this site is solid evidence that rudeness and closed - mindedness (as represented by accusations
of trollhood and thread - jacking) is equally well - represented
on both
sides of the
climate climate debate.
I've long intended writing a piece with the provocative title
of «the Nazi Thing»
on the puzzling question
of what it is about the
climate debate which makes
people on both
sides resort to using language like «denier,» «death trains»
on the one hand, and «eco-fascism»
on the other, when it's so obviously counterproductive.
History will record the NIPCC as the most significant contribution any
person or group
on the
climate realist
side of the
debate made to helping society get back
on track towards making
climate and energy decisions that actually help the environment and society.
«''
On both
sides of the
climate debate, the test that
people seem to be applying as to whether their reasoning is logical is whether it leads to conclusions they already held.
Most
people,
on every
side of the AGW
debate, would agree that chopping down a rain or boreal forest to promote development
of renewable fuels is an extremely bad idea in terms
of earth's
climate.
Implying that good
people are found
on only one
side of the
climate debate is infantile.
There is virtually no real weather or
climate data, yet
people on both
sides of the
debate build computer models and speculate endlessly.