His passing is avarage at best and he is defencivly shockingly bad, yet
he plays as a holding midfielder
Pogba is picked on because he's our best and most expensive outfield player, but Mourinho has primarily
played him as a holding midfielder, which I think we can agree isn't what he was bought to do, and is not what he's good at.
Let's be sincere, how many of us have actually seen
him playing as a holding midfielder, and how many times.
The formation switches earlier in the season did not help but neither did Wayne Rooney
playing as a holding midfielder at times.
Xhaka has
played as a holding midfielder and also as a creative central midfielder for the Bundesliga side.
@ butterfingers — I think de Jong used to be a winger but he definitely
played as a holding midfielder during Euro 2008 for Holland.
Defender Ball, who is also comfortable
playing as a holding midfielder, spent last season on loan at Cambridge while Oduwa made three starts and eight substitute appearances for Luton in the second half of last season.
Keita
played as the holding midfielder just ahead of defense flanked with Thiago and Iniesta on two flanks.
Javi Garcia has not set the footballing world alight with his ability but since leaving Madrid he has gone on to have good success at Benfica where
he played as the holding midfielder.
While Walker and Mendy can feature in the right - back and left - back spots respectively, Danilo is more versatile as he can slot into both sides whilst also
playing as a holding midfielder.
Not exact matches
When Arsenal
played with Arteta
as defensive
midfielder that situation never occurs he tends to control the flow and pace of Arsenal game with his passing and by
holding his position, he also runs into space very well and always available for a pass.
Jack and Flamini to
hold the
midfield and Ozil or Santi
as CAM, Ox and Sanchez wingers that is the inly way to
play Chelsea.
giroud
plays well
as a dm in his usual no9 position based on his «
hold up
play»... but don't mistake that gibberish with
playing in
midfield which requires more concentration and technique which the tall man does not possess at all... hed make a good defender though
Most misplaced passes in the Premier League this term: Y.Kaboul (35) A.Ramsey (26) D.Janmaat (25) G.Barry (24) C.Benteke (24) R.Brady (24)-- Squawka Football (@Squawka) August 19, 2015 Unless,
as the former Cardiff man was during the 13/14 campaign, he's positioned alongside a
holding midfielder who can also carry the burden
as our deeper playmaker similar to what Arteta did,
playing Ramsey alongside a destructive
midfielder like Coquelin just doesn't work.
lst season at stamford bridge, was the first time i saw that 4 -1-4-1 formation being used, and for some weird reason i feel a very strange negative vibe and well all know the outcome.the manager has come back with this formation and its not yielding result, but he still sticks with it.i do nt know much about formations dear friends, but if you are
playing a slow dm in arteta and a very very slow cb, then you are toast against quality teams with sound tactics.wen
playing wellbeck
as a lone striker, i think 4 -2-3-1, will work better, but if we have a big player like oliver (boooos), thn we can try the 4 -1-4-1, thingy cos he can hold the ball for our midfielders to run in.but on the overall, shame on wenger for not giving our defence a good cover DM.NO BODY PLAYS A SLOW DM / CB AND EXPECT TO B REGARDED AS CHAMPIONSHIP MATERIAL.IT HURTS GUYS, REALLY HURT
as a lone striker, i think 4 -2-3-1, will work better, but if we have a big player like oliver (boooos), thn we can try the 4 -1-4-1, thingy cos he can
hold the ball for our
midfielders to run in.but on the overall, shame on wenger for not giving our defence a good cover DM.NO BODY
PLAYS A SLOW DM / CB AND EXPECT TO B REGARDED
AS CHAMPIONSHIP MATERIAL.IT HURTS GUYS, REALLY HURT
AS CHAMPIONSHIP MATERIAL.IT HURTS GUYS, REALLY HURTS.
If Arsenal stick with three centre backs then Mustafi must be considered a far better choice for the third birth alongside Kos and
Holding rather then Monreal.Kolasinac has to come back in at left eing - back and Bellerin revert to the right.
Midfield is a very different matter.Arsenal still desperately need a proper defensive central player.Ozil in this current side can not be considered anything more than a luxury.All of Bournemouth's creativity will come down the flanks so it's necessary to put players on to the pitch who are prepared to fulfill their defensive duties.This also means that unless Ramsey can work out that he's
playing in
midfield not
as a number 10 he has no place on the team either.
Some fans and pundits have also suggested that Chambers has what it takes to be a very good
holding midfielder as well, which is the position he first
played when coming up through the Saints» academy system.
If Gabriel Paulista does leave Arsenal this summer due to his likely becoming surplus to requirements at Arsenal which himself might have sensed, apart of the 4 specialist defenders of: Koscielny, Monreal, Mustafi and
holding who have been regularly manning the Arsenal back three line of recent, other centre backs like Mertersacker & Chambers, and defensive wingbacks of Bellerin, Kolasinac, and the defensive
midfielders of Elneny & Niles, can all also
play as centrebacks in a back three or back four denfese - line whenever the need arised.
He can
play in
holding midfield, he can
play if needed on the flanks
as well.
Despite man city spending over 200m pounds in d summer, just two injuries, they r
playing a
midfielder as a lwb and mangala is their defensive cover u guys should just stop moaning,, i think arsenal still have cover this season, a striking trio of welbeck, giroud and walcot can
hold their own, a
midfield duo of Wilshire and elneny can
hold their own, we might be light in defence buh not
as terrible
as u guys r exaggerating it, trsnsfer window is over let's support d guys
As I said after that game, the only reason City were toothless was that they played 2 holding midfielders that are exactly the same, Fernandinho and Fernando are technically poor and can't create for toffee, but if City had Yaya Toure in that midfield to absolutely bully the likes of Cazorla, Ramsey and The Coq it would have been a completely different game, City lost that Box to Box energy Yaya gives them and that played right into our hand as they were static in midfield
As I said after that game, the only reason City were toothless was that they
played 2
holding midfielders that are exactly the same, Fernandinho and Fernando are technically poor and can't create for toffee, but if City had Yaya Toure in that
midfield to absolutely bully the likes of Cazorla, Ramsey and The Coq it would have been a completely different game, City lost that Box to Box energy Yaya gives them and that
played right into our hand
as they were static in midfield
as they were static in
midfield..
we have enough
midfielders, OG should concentrate on his primary job (scoring goals) then the
hold up
play should just come
as a bonus
Sorry for continually being ignorant and missing the point («your» point to be precise)-- but
playing one - twos with Alexis in the opposition penalty area in the Copa and being deployed at the head of Juve's
midfield diamond is not convincing me that his coaches / managers see his best position
as a disciplined
holding midfield player.
This is an incredibly difficult question to answer for a variety of reasons, most importantly because over the years our once vaunted «beautiful» style of
play has become a shadow of it's former self, only to be replaced by a less than stellar «plug and
play» mentality where players
play out of position and adjustments / substitutions are rarely forthcoming before the 75th minute... if you look at our current players, very few would make sense in the traditional Wengerian system... at present, we don't have the personnel to move the ball quickly from deep - lying position, efficient one touch
midfielders that can make the necessary through balls or the disciplined and pacey forwards to stretch defences into wide positions, without the aid of the backs coming up into the final 3rd, so that we can attack the defensive lanes in the same clinical fashion we did years ago... on this current squad, we have only 1 central defender on staf, Mustafi, who seems to have any prowess in the offensive zone or who can even pass two zones through so that we can advance
play quickly out of our own end (I have seen some inklings that suggest
Holding might have some offensive qualities but too early to tell)... unfortunately Mustafi has a tendency to get himself in trouble when he gets overly aggressive on the ball... from our backs out wide, we've seen pace from the likes of Bellerin and Gibbs and the spirited albeit offensively stunted
play of Monreal, but none of these players possess the skill - set required in the offensive zone for the new Wenger scheme which requires deft touches, timely runs to the baseline and consistent crossing, especially when Giroud was
playing and his ratio of scored goals per clear chances was relatively low (better last year though)... obviously I like Bellerin's future prospects,
as you can't teach pace, but I do worry that he regressed last season, which was obvious to Wenger because there was no way he would have used Ox
as the right side wing - back so often knowing that Barcelona could come calling in the off - season, if he thought otherwise...
as for our
midfielders, not a single one, minus the more confident Xhaka I watched
played for the Swiss national team a couple years ago, who truly makes sense under the traditional Wenger model... Ramsey
holds onto the ball too long, gives the ball away cheaply far too often and abandons his defensive responsibilities on a regular basis (doesn't score enough recently to justify): that being said, I've always thought he does possess a little something special, unfortunately he thinks so too... Xhaka is a little too slow to ever boss the
midfield and he tends to telegraph his one true strength, his long ball
play: although I must admit he did get a bit better during some points in the latter part of last season... it always made me wonder why whenever he
played with Coq Wenger always seemed to
play Francis in a more advanced role on the pitch...
as for Coq, he is way too reckless at the wrong times and has exhibited little offensive prowess yet finds himself in and around the box far too often... let's face it Wenger was ready to throw him in the trash heap when injuries forced him to use Francis and then he had the nerve to act like this was all part of a bigger Wenger constructed plan... he like Ramsey, Xhaka and Elneny don't offer the skills necessary to satisfy the quick transitory nature of our old offensive scheme or the stout defensive mindset needed to protect the defensive zone so that our offensive players can remain aggressive in the final third... on the front end, we have Ozil, a player of immense skill but stunted by his physical demeanor that tends to offend, the fact that he's been
played out of position far too many times since arriving and that the players in front of him, minus Sanchez, make little to no sense considering what he has to offer (especially Giroud); just think about the quick counter-attack offence in Real or the space and protection he receives in the German National team's
midfield, where teams couldn't afford to focus too heavily on one individual... this player was a passing «specialist» long before he arrived in North London, so only an arrogant or ignorant individual would try to reinvent the wheel and / or not surround such a talent with the necessary components... in regards to Ox, Walcott and Welbeck, although they all possess serious talents I see them in large part
as headless chickens who are on the injury table too much, lack the necessary first - touch and / or lack the finishing flair to warrant their inclusion in a regular starting eleven; I would say that, of the 3, Ox showed the most upside once we went to a back 3, but even he became a bit too consumed by his pending contract talks before the season ended and that concerned me a bit... if I had to choose one of those 3 players to stay on it would be Ox due to his potential
as a plausible alternative to Bellerin in that wing - back position should we continue to use that formation... in Sanchez, we get one of the most committed skill players we've seen on this squad for some years but that could all change soon, if it hasn't already of course... strangely enough, even he doesn't make sense given the constructs of the original Wenger offensive model because he
holds onto the ball too long and he will give the ball up a little too often in the offensive zone... a fact that is largely forgotten due to his infectious energy and the fact that the numbers he has achieved seem to justify the means... finally, and in many ways most crucially, Giroud, there is nothing about this team or the offensive system that Wenger has traditionally employed that would even suggest such a player would make sense
as a starter... too slow, too inefficient and way too easily dispossessed... once again, I think he has some special skills and, at times, has showed some world - class qualities but he's lack of mobility is an albatross around the necks of our offence... so when you ask who would be our best starting 11, I don't have a clue because of the 5 or 6 players that truly deserve a place in this side, 1 just arrived, 3 aren't under contract beyond 2018 and the other was just sold to Juve... man, this is theraputic because following this team is like an addiction to heroin without the benefits
this window has just finished i am already thinking about who we will get for the january window we might try for khedira on a really low offer
as he is free agent almost would help boost numbers in
midfield in the new year
as we will no doubt need to filling the numbers about then also i will
hold my hands up and say i was wrong this morning for giving wenger stick and saying welbeck is rubbish i have been out in the cold light of day and had a chance to reevaluate the situation and realized that this could be a canny shrew transfer on wenger behalf actually if wenger can turn the clock back and work his magic on welbeck and get him scoring goals and improve his game then we could have a great underrated signing on our hands its wengers absolute trust in him that might be what makes him a great player
as this is something that he never had at old mordor if anybody can make him a world beater wenger can he loves this little pet projects improving players against the odds welbeck has the skillset to be high class player upfornt he just needs to work very hard on his finishing i think once he gets a few goals under his belt he will settle in fine and he is a team player you could put him on the left against man city to shore up that side and he will put in a great shift without a complaint that could be his biggest asset to us or on the right whenever we need him there ithinkwenger might start himon the left against city to protect the left back against navas and i bet you if he does a great job we will take a shine to him quickly i am hopeing he will be one of those wenger gems that he finds and polishes up to a high finish i must admit i was annoyed
as some other gunners were at not signing d / m and c / h but if wenger does win the league with this lot it will be his greatest win yet and what might
play in to our hands is the unpredictable nature of the league in the last few seasons if we get on a good run at the right time we might be hard to stop look at city they should have never lost to stoke but the result is there in black and white for all to see and i think chelsea will hit the skids after a while to just because cesc and costa are doing well now thats there main threat but teams will work out how to stop them
as the season goes on and chelsea will become predictable i think we might just do well this season after all
As they search for a holding midfielder to eventually replace Michael Carrick and pair up with Paul Pogba, it's suggested that Matic could now be targeted, although he likely won't be allowed to leave for less than # 40m this summer, as per the report, having played a pivotal role in helping Antonio Conte's side win the title this seaso
As they search for a
holding midfielder to eventually replace Michael Carrick and pair up with Paul Pogba, it's suggested that Matic could now be targeted, although he likely won't be allowed to leave for less than # 40m this summer,
as per the report, having played a pivotal role in helping Antonio Conte's side win the title this seaso
as per the report, having
played a pivotal role in helping Antonio Conte's side win the title this season.
THis is the first time we will see Xhaka and Cazorla starting in
midfield and the way they
play could decide the outcome of the match,
as could the new defensive pairing of
Holding and Koscielny.
He did
play rugby at a younger age so he may have the steel we need
as a
holding midfielder.
He spent most of the match
playing as a deep - lying
midfield instead of making runs or
holding up the ball or even just staying in his own bloody position.
Bring in Ospina for Cech; Gabriel for Koscielny (Kos is 31 and its time we start testing Gabriel and
Holding beside Mustafi to see what our long term first choice defensive partnership will look like); Gibbs for Monreal (Wenger needs to start rotating these 2 more frequently
as we need to ascertain if Gibbs can adequately produce the quality to
hold that position from next season for a few years
as I'm thinking this might be Nacho's last or penultimate season with Arsenal, it will also give a hint
as to the type of Left - back to target in the summer — first teamer or backup and age
as well); I'll like to see an Elneny — Xhaka partnership in this fixture
as we might just never know, this might be our replica of the Kos Mustafa partnership in the centre of the park, Two disciplined (positionally, i mean) central
midfielders who can
play box to box; Chamberlain for Iwobi, and Perez for Alexis should do the work.
Morata is one of those strikers that
midfielders play off, he can assist, he can
hold onto ball, most importantly his game is about providing just
as much
as it is scoring.
In a system with 3 central
midfielders this is fine but when
playing as a 2 it leaves us too open, the 2 need to
hold and
play close together, this also makes it easier to start moves.
I have passionately wanted Wenger out for a full decade and one idiot who thinks we should just shut up and support this long term loser manager who has no tactics; can't use subs properly; mis handles players;
plays them constantly out of position and who doesn't get the need for defence / attack balance (constantly sending two full backs upfield together and
playing attacking
midfielders as holding players) is in cloud cuckoo land.
i am thinking the same thing, i just do nt think
hold up
play center striker style works
as well
as speed with a creative
midfield and ozil in the middle
To me, i feel xhaka is well needed in dis new formation (d 3 -4-3) n moreso, he is a typical arsenal kind of player... can
hold on to d ball n distribute it with precision... all we need to succeed with dis new formation is to get a combative football
playing midfielder dat can win d ball n move with it... in d mould of naby keita, verrati n even Everton's gana can do d job or better still, take renato sanchez on loan... doubt if he is going to get enough
playing time
as he would want at bayern dis season again coz of their luxury of
midfield player, not sure if he will be in d 1st team with vidal n thiago alcantara unbenchable n anceloti having a soft spot for kimmich (just
as wenger has for Ramsey) I think if we propose a loan deal for renato sanchez dah bayern will grant it
Wenger himself admitted that he had been pondering over shifting to a back - three for quite some time now and it looks like the signing of Kolasinac has been made with the new system in mind, considering that the Bosnian is a quick and powerful full - back who can also
play as a centre - half and
as a
holding midfielder.
I actually rate Ramsey but being asked /
played as a
holding Mid is a tall order for him especially with his natural position and instinct being Attacking Centre
Midfield.
I still think they could
play with a 4 -2-3-1 with XA6 and Di Maria
as holding midfielder and B2B — and still have room for Özil, but hey — that formation gave them la decima.
Frankly, rather than the total dud Xhaka, I would even
play my granny
as holding midfielder.
The wing backs and
holding midfielders will likely not
play as aggressively to protect against conceding cheap goals on the break, but things should look familiar apart from that.
And Giroud is so important for our
play as he
holds the ball up well and links brilliantly with our attacking
midfielders.
He
played centre - back, full - back and this season we train him
as a
holding midfielder.
We say Arteta is doing fine
as the
holding midfielder, for me this is not efficient enough because he can do a better job further forward (where he has
played all his life).....
Gerrard has
played much of his career in the centre
midfield role but has also been used
as a second striker,
holding midfielder, right back and right winger.
He originally excelled
as a right - back but has since been converted into a
holding midfielder,
playing a key role in helping Monaco to their surprise French Ligue 1 title win last season.
It featured De Bruyne in a
holding midfield role and Ilkay Gundogan
as an attacking
midfielder — even though they'd been
playing the opposite roles all year.
Wenger has reportedly looked into
playing Wilshere
as a
holding midfielder, but there are doubts especially in his strength.
I like him
as more of a
holding midfielder which is where I think he
plays his best ball.
Giroud is a player that divides opinion, however, he is someone who not only scores goals but, someone who has developed to
hold up
play and link up with the
midfield,
as highlighted by his eight league assists last season.
They
played three central defenders and another
as part of a
holding midfield pair with two full backs on the flanks.