They like to compare carbon emissions from the power plant to those from Montana's summer forest fires, in order to make
a point about coal concerns being overblown.
Your point about coal vs. oil availability in the 19th century is well taken, although I would remind you that much oil exploration (outside of the middle east) is not done on the cheap, and is indeed supported by generous subsidies from governments.
Not exact matches
But ask a Canadian politician, and you'll likely hear a drum beat of talking
points about China's voracious energy appetite and the imperative to ramp up our oil, gas, and
coal exports.
At that
point, Stracher did not know very much
about coal, but he had a strong background in chemical thermodynamics.
The
Coal Oil
Point seep field (COP) in the Santa Barbara Channel offshore from Goleta, California, is a marine petroleum seep area of
about three square kilometres, within the Offshore South Ellwood Oil Field and stretching from the coastline southward more than three kilometers (1.9 mi).
This was noted by Gelbspan in his book «Boiling
Point»
about the
coal industry and CO2.
The post provides useful detail highlighting the prime
point of contention
about Howarth's work — the choices he makes in defining the greenhouse impact of methane (from gas wells and pipes) and carbon dioxide (from
coal burning).
A final
point is also crucial —
about how the
coal shift, while largely driven by domestic smog and productivity concerns, could put China in a strong position going into the next rounds of talks aimed at crafting a new climate treaty:
Andy
points to the erstwhile dilemma posed by mercury - thanks to the Times interminable editorializing
about the tons of quicksilver emitted by
coal fired power plants several states upwind, many Manhattanites fear Minimata Disease should they crack open a window.
Third, the focus of my comment was also on climate, not on electricity prices, although the two (with respect to this subject) are very interlinked, as you've
pointed out in the past and as your own
point about competitiveness with respect to
coal in China underscores.
There is a confusing picture in the energy debate
about which technologies are the cheapest option, yet the world is clearly at a
point where more renewables are getting built and there is uncertainty
about new
coal and gas plants.
Additionally, I wanted to delve a little more into the much publicized domestic
coal supply woes of China that we might have all read
about at some
point or another.
Is this to say developing nations shouldn't worry
about CO2 emissions, and that western nations can not
point their fingers at them and say «hey, why should we cut our CO2 emissions when they are building their THIRD
coal plant?»
Over a similar length of time though earlier, namely from 2005 to 2008, cost per watt of a
coal power station increased from $ 1.50 per watt to over $ 3 per watt, based on a report I
pointed out to you
about a week ago.
Patrick Forkin of Peabody was here to talk
about coal's abundant, clean, affordable, reliable magnificence, echoing the talking
point the RNC lifted from a clean
coal advocacy group for its platform.
There is nothing left to really argue
about... at some
point the cost of producing electricity with
coal will exceed the cost of the alternatives and the alternatives will be adopted.
At another
point, he talks
about placing fees (taxes) on pollutants from
coal fired electricity like mercury.
Why don't you continue to represent those fine
coal industry geologists by
pointing out a few that «know much, much more
about the mechanisms of the atmosphere and its variations over time...» than the climatologists and atmospheric scientists that make it their profession to know how atmospheres vary over time.
As my colleague Gordon
pointed out in a post last week, India is currently learning the most important lesson
about its over-dependence on outdated, centralized
coal - fired power: It is simply not flexible enough to accommodate India's real problem - peak demand (the kind that happens when 20 million Delhi inhabitants turn on their air conditioners or fans all at once).
I was talking to a very knowledgeable friend
about whether solar power will become cheaper than
coal in the next decade, and he
pointed out a problem in how solar advocates price their power.
The
about - to - retire Executive Director of Greenpeace USA, Phil Radford, unabashedly
points to Ross Gelbspan as «the lone voice, the moral compass, the beacon that has inspired countless people, me included, to demand our country and our future back from the
coal and oil interests behind global warming» (full text here).
Fred is deeply concerned
about proposals to build the largest
coal export terminal in North America near Bellingham, Washington, and the herring spawning grounds of the Cherry
Point Aquatic Reserve.
«There's still a bit of social perception
about replacing
coal with something else, but I think that is finally hitting a tipping
point where people are more receptive to it,» he said.
Despite uncertainty and confusion
about the numbers, the 2016 data is one more piece of evidence that China will not return to the days of skyrocketing
coal consumption for good, and that the world's largest CO2 emitter is on the right path to start reducing its emissions permanently at some
point in the coming decade.
Maybe Hansen is a nutter, who created scare stories
about seas boiling, apocalyptic storms, Venusian tipping
points, because people weren't taking much notice of his fixation that
coal was evil.
This week's news
about Peabody Energy becoming the latest and final publicly - traded
coal company to declare bankruptcy put an exclamation
point on this devastating era for the
coal industry.
Actual 1st phase of
coal exports out of Cherry
Point is
about 24 million tons, insignificant compared to overall global trade.
This film seemed to take a sensible approach, or at least the show based on it, that would be a counter
point to Patrick Moore's statement
about how wind energy won't produce the same amount of energy as oil,
coal and nuclear power.
When Jay O'Hara and his co-captain Ken Ward moored their lobster boat in the unloading dock of Brayton
Point Power Station in New England, blockading a 40,000 ton
coal shipment in the process, they were fully prepared to face the legal consequences of their actions (not to mention the usual tired old complaints
about eco-hypocrisy).
To read more
about COP - 15 and Hopenhagen at TreeHugger: Voices from Hopenhagen: Andrew Winston On Hopenhagen, Naomi Klein Misses the
Point Entirely The Week in Pictures: COP15 Climate Change Conference, «ClimateGate Scandal,
Coal Fire Still Burns (After 47 Years), and More (Slideshow) COP - 15 United Nations Climate Change Conference
As I
pointed out here, CAGR for CO2 emissions from
coal, oil, natural gas, flaring, and cement production averaged 3.08 % for the period 2000 - 2010, peaking to 6 % in 2003 over 2002 (though there was no hysteria that time) and again in 2010 over 2009 (much unwarranted hysteria
about a single year, even by professionals but perhaps overblown by the media as usual who may have been selective
about who they quoted!).
I note that on our last little chat
about natural variability on Climate Etc, you didn't get around to answering my
point that since momma nature was able to cause many big swings in temperature before man ever set fire to
coal, she probably still can.
I made the
point then (and repeat it here) that although this doesn't «disprove» global warming (the globe has warmed and during this warming we have gone from
about half a million cars to almost a billion, from
about 500
coal - fired power plants to
about 23,000 — I'll let you tell me
about the growth in the numbers of airplanes, washing machines and data centers...), it is a fairly straightforward argument against high sensitivity of the atmosphere to increasing concentrations of CO2.