Two weeks ago we looked at the Triassic - Jurassic mass extinction, some 200 million years ago, that was caused by a large climatic warming event after the break - up of supercontinent Pangaea led to the release of enormous amounts of first [volcanic] CO2 and then methane [from disturbed clathrates —
a positive warming feedback] into the atmosphere.
The cloud cover are likely not a forcing and thus a cause of warming but more likely
a positive warming feedback.
With the theory of
positive warming feedbacks thus neatly de-bunked, in a sane world we would see the end of cagw hysteria.
Not exact matches
One problem is that dangerous levels of climate change are exacerbated by
positive feedback loops — changes that release more greenhouse gases from nature due to
warming driven by humans.
Polyakov says a
positive feedback loop is underway, in which less summer sea ice will lead to
warmer winter waters and even less summer ice in subsequent years.
Extra carbon dioxide means a
warmer world — and then
positive feedback effects from things like water vapour and ice loss will make it
warmer still
The findings suggest that effective new greenhouse gas controls could help lessen the effects of climate change on the release of carbon from soils of the northern permafrost region and therefore decrease the potential for a
positive feedback of permafrost carbon release on climate
warming.
The release of that carbon can, in turn, cause additional
warming and the release of more carbon, something scientists call a
positive feedback loop.
[So] there is potential that these tremendous stores of carbon in these soils can be a
positive feedback for more
warming.»
Sea ice reflects most of the sun's energy, he explained, whereas the open ocean absorbs more energy, and thus the disappearance of sea ice triggers even more
warming, in a
positive -
feedback loop called albedo.
Those fluxes help drive a
positive feedback effect, further intensifying
warming in the region.
Warmer, wetter conditions in the Arctic are accelerating the loss of carbon stored in tundra and permafrost soils, creating a potential
positive feedback that further boosts global temperatures, a Dartmouth College study finds.
The theory of dangerous climate change is based not just on carbon dioxide
warming but on
positive and negative
feedback effects from water vapor and phenomena such as clouds and airborne aerosols from coal burning.
Another
positive feedback of global
warming is the albedo effect: less white summer ice means more dark open water, which absorbs more heat from the sun.
«This kind of study discusses the natural cycle and could help define the likely
positive feedbacks we can expect in the long - term future, [for example] as temperatures
warm, the ocean will want to give up more CO2, or rather absorb less,» says climatologist Gavin Schmidt of NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies.
Anyone who accepts that sunlight falling on ice free waters which has less reflectivity than sunlight falling on a large ice mass covering those waters and also accepts that this reduction in albedo has a
positive feedback effect, leading to further
warming, can't help but opt for A or B, it seems to me.
Methane hydrate is potentially susceptible to ocean
warming, which could trigger a
positive feedback resulting in rapid climate
warming.
Remember that direct greenhouse effect from CO2 is quite small; the predictions rely on
positive feedback from other effects (particularly water vapour
feedbacks, a far more significant greenhouse gas) to cause substantial
warming.
Warming oceans produced a third
positive feedback cycle by pumping more moisture into the atmosphere.
Drier and
warmer conditions would lead to more fires — a
positive feedback loop where changes are amplified.
The direct
warming effect of CO2 is relatively small, and only becomes dominant through
positive feedbacks in computer models.
That is exactly the sort of situation that would be caused by having
positive feedback to switch from cold to
warm, and eventually a negative
feedback to switch fom
warm to cold.
And the more that sea ice melts, the more energy is absorbed — a
positive feedback mechanism of accelerating
warming and ice loss, he said.
And that additional water vapour would in turn cause further
warming - this being a
positive feedback, in which carbon dioxide acts as a direct regulator of temperature, and is then joined in that role by more water vapour as temperatures increase.
We humans could be pulling the trigger on that right now, and who knows when we might reach a point at which even if we cease & desist from our human emissions, the
positive feedback chain of «
warming causing emissions causing more
warming» takes on a life of its own.
Second, and this is close to Paul Beckwith and the AMEG group (Arctic Methane Emergency Group)- Hansen doesn't factor in methane coming up in the Arctic, as a jolt to
warming, and a
positive feedback.
Nearly every paper that I have seen recently that has indicated a meaningful change in rate for a variable related to
warming has suggested that, if anything, average model sensitivity may be too low, with
positive feedbacks underestimated.
Losing reflective sea ice speeds up Arctic
warming — what's known as a
positive feedback.
This isn't news to top climate scientists around the world (see Hadley Center: «Catastrophic» 5 — 7 °C
warming by 2100 on current emissions path) or even to top climate scientists in this country (see US Geological Survey stunner: Sea - level rise in 2100 will likely «substantially exceed» IPCC projections, SW faces «permanent drying») and certainly not to people who follow the scientific literature, like Climate Progress readers (see Study: Water - vapor
feedback is «strong and
positive,» so we face «
warming of several degrees Celsius»).
Pick a shade that can help convey a
warm sense of cheer or happiness on
positive feedback.
Positive feedback from customers and fans is very encouraging to us in our day - to - day design work for the MINI brand,» explains Anders
Warming, Head of MINI Design.
«Since day one, you have given us tons of
positive feedback and support — the sheer volume of emails we've gotten since launch simply congratulating us for our efforts is both epic and heart
warming, and I wish every developer comes to have such a fantastic community,» the studio's co-founder Marcin Iwinski said.
[1] CO2 absorbs IR, is the main GHG, human emissions are increasing its concentration in the atmosphere, raising temperatures globally; the second GHG, water vapor, exists in equilibrium with water / ice, would precipitate out if not for the CO2, so acts as a
feedback; since the oceans cover so much of the planet, water is a large
positive feedback; melting snow and ice as the atmosphere
warms decreases albedo, another
positive feedback, biased toward the poles, which gives larger polar
warming than the global average; decreasing the temperature gradient from the equator to the poles is reducing the driving forces for the jetstream; the jetstream's meanders are increasing in amplitude and slowing, just like the lower Missippi River where its driving gradient decreases; the larger slower meanders increase the amplitude and duration of blocking highs, increasing drought and extreme temperatures — and 30,000 + Europeans and 5,000 plus Russians die, and the US corn crop, Russian wheat crop, and Aussie wildland fire protection fails — or extreme rainfall floods the US, France, Pakistan, Thailand (driving up prices for disk drives — hows that for unexpected adverse impacts from AGW?)
However, they can provide both
positive and negative forcing» and Ray # 252 «we understand extremely well the way greenhouse gasses [sic] like CO2
warm the planet» So here we go — Assumptions from considerations of physics: Unless CO2 could enlist water vapour to amplify its forcing it would simply be an unremarkable trace gas in the atmosphere, but — CO2 + water (vapour) = + ve
feedback implying
warming CO2 + water (liquid) = - ve
feedback implying cooling Facts: Clouds cover half the surface of the planet.
Nearly every paper that I have seen recently that has indicated a meaningful change in rate for a variable related to
warming has suggested that, if anything, average model sensitivity may be too low, with
positive feedbacks underestimated.
The theory suggests that the system is pushed by greenhouse gas changes and
warming — as well as solar intensity and Earth orbital eccentricities - past a threshold at which stage the components start to interact chaotically in multiple and changing negative and
positive feedbacks — as tremendous energies cascade through powerful subsystems.
In general, models suggest that they are a
positive feedback — i.e. there is a relative increase in high clouds (which
warm more than they cool) compared to low clouds (which cool more than they
warm)-- but this is quite variable among models and not very well constrained from data.
Perhaps all of this newly freed up ice - cold water at the poles is temporarily acting as a negative
feedback, but as it absorbs more of the solar radiation, over time, it will transform into what we rightly think: a predominately
positive feedback system, rapidly intensifying the
warming.
Because this issue continues to affect all coupled ocean - atmosphere models (e.g., 22 — 24), the
warming (Fig. 3) represents the expression of
positive biotic
feedback mechanisms missing from earlier simulations of these climates obtained with prescribed PI concentrations of trace GHGs.
The known negative
feedback mechanisms can reduce the
warming, but they do not appear to be so strong as the
positive moisture
feedback.
Further research will be required to investigate if this fluctuation carries features of projected future climate change and the CO2 growth rate anomaly has been a first indicator of a developing
positive feedback between climate
warming and the global carbon cycle.
It appears that you believe that it would be easy to construct a model without
positive feedback and no significant
warming from CO2.
The water vapour theory suggests that a small increase in CO2 will result in a large
positive feedback loop from water vapour and this
feedback loop will lead to dangerous
warming.
On the possibility of a changing cloud cover «forcing» global
warming in recent times (assuming we can just ignore the CO2 physics and current literature on
feedbacks, since I don't see a contradiction between an internal radiative forcing and
positive feedbacks), one would have to explain a few things, like why the diurnal temperature gradient would decrease with a planet being
warmed by decreased albedo... why the stratosphere should cool... why winters should
warm faster than summers... essentially the same questions that come with the cosmic ray hypothesis.
What really concerns me is that I've read a lot about climate models not being able to replicate the magnitude of abrupt regional temperature changes in the past, and Raypierre has said here that he fears that past climate records point towards some yet unknown
positive feedback which might amplify
warming at the northern latitudes.
Positive feedback caused by rise in water vapour (caused by
warming) accounts for perhaps half of the estimated
warming and this will be located most where the air is humid in contradiction to Dyson's «cold and dry».
This
warming will be amplified by
feedbacks (assuming a net
positive feedback).
Indeed, you can not get 33 degrees of
warming over and above the blackbody temperature without
positive feedback.
Gavin disputes that the main driver of the sea ice retreat is the albedo flip, but we are seeing not only polar amplification of global
warming but
positive feedback, which would not be explained simply by radiative forces and ocean currents.
Now, perhaps you can explain to us how you get 33 degrees of greenhouse
warming over blackbody temperatures without significant contributions from
positive feedback.