For a good take on that, see Gavin's earlier
post on climate modeling.
Not exact matches
Mike Haseler (Scottish Sceptic), 2: Read the next
post,
on the AMOC and the specified CM2.6 coupled
climate model, please.
Meanwhile, if you can manage a
post on the topic of «structural instabilities» in theoretical
models and in the real
climate system, that would be very much appreciated.
And of course there's still substantial uncertainty in
climate models at the regional scale in war - prone places (again, a prime example is the set of countries along the southern fringe of the Sahara Desert, where
models still clash
on which areas will grow drier or wetter; see my Somalia
posts.)
As noted in that
post, RealClimate defines the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation («AMO») as, «A multidecadal (50 - 80 year timescale) pattern of North Atlantic ocean - atmosphere variability whose existence has been argued for based
on statistical analyses of observational and proxy
climate data, and coupled Atmosphere - Ocean General Circulation
Model («AOGCM») simulations.
In 1971, the Washington
Post reported that research based
on climate modeling developed by NASA scientist James Hansen predicted that glaciers would cover much of the globe within 50 years — by 2021 — because of mankind's fossil - fuel dust blotting out the sun.
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on New Business
Model Offers Fresh Approach for Valuing Nature
by Judith Curry This
post discusses Workshop presentations
on the utility of
climate models for regional adaptation decisions.
This is what i referred to as «pandemonium» in my earlier
post on what we can learn from
climate models:
e.g. see Roger Pielke's
post: Very Important New Paper «A Comparison Of Local And Aggregated
Climate Model Outputs With Observed Data» By Anagnostopoulos Et Al 2010 commenting
on:
The
climate scientists that worry about these issues don't
post here (much - Jeff made a single
post) so you aren't really going to see a meaningful discussion
on the role of chaos or stochastic processes
on climates, how that is handled in
model building, and what that means in terms of
model verification.
Originally
posted on Open Mind: A new paper by Hansen et al., Ice melt, sea level rise and superstorms: evidence from paleoclimate data,
climate modeling, and modern observations that 2 °C global warming is highly dangerous is currently under review...
Instead, we got a
post by Tomas, who based
on the comments by Jeff and the references in jstults» blog, seems rather ignorant
on the research and literature in the field saying that «Hey,
climate is chaotic and
climate scientists are doing it wrong», and insinuating therefore that all current
models aren't useful.
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Comments
On Judy Curry's
Post «The Culture Of Building Confidence In
Climate Models» [http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/comments-
on-judy-currys-
post-the-culture-of-building-confidence-in-
climate-
models/]
Steve Easterbrook has a superb
post on what a V&V process might look like for
climate models, and includes reference to an excellent paper by Pope and Davies.
JC note: Pursuant to Nic's
post on «The IPCC's alteration of Forster & Gregory's
model - independent
climate sensitivity results,» he has sent a letter to Gabi Hegerl, who was coordinating lead author
on chapter 9 of the IPCC AR4.
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Judith, Thanks for the kind words about my
post on V&V of
climate models.
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How exactly are you proving your point when you admit (emphasis mine)... «yes, the temperature moved FIRST» and you make hidden conciliatory statements like... «for the MAJORITY of that time» and then you freely admit... «CO2 did not trigger the warmings» and then you rely
on the lamest of hollow arguments... «according to
climate THEORY and
model EXPERIMENTS» and then you stumble back to close with complete opinion and conjecture... «we may well» and «The likely candidates» Anyone with a brain will read your
post and laugh - it's pathetic and you've actually done nothing but strengthen the skeptics argument.
In terms of your request for something substantial, I responded to your original claim that «the theory relies
on computer
models» with a link to a RealClimate
post that shows this claim is not correct — rather than computer
models, the foundations of the scientific consensus
on anthropogenic
climate change are built upon our understanding of how the atmosphere works and how we are changing it by emitting greenhouse gases.
As far as there being a «guarantee», all I can say is that I personally have no idea
on how to create a consistent
model dominated by internal variability — ie., a
model with low
climate sensitivity, a trend pattern similar to observations, and a positive heat uptake — as I tried to outline in this
post.
The take - home message — that
climate models were
on the verge of failure (basically the opposite of the
Post headline)-- is self - evident in Figure 1, adapted from our presentation.
Additional stuck -
on - stupid - journalism and
climate -
model postings.
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on India Must Develop Own
Climate Model: US Expert
Graham Readfearn comments
on the piece in an article in The Guardian, noting that Evans's theory had arose from a series of over 11 blog
posts he had
on his wife's blog (JoNova) where Evans claims to have found fundamental problems with
climate models.
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Originally
posted on... and Then There's Physics: Okay, I finally succumbed and actually waded through some of the new paper by Monckton, Soon, Legates & Briggs called Why
models run hot: results from an irreducibly simple
climate model.
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Models Underestimate Role Of CO2 In Warming
Australian
climate scientist, and modeller, Dr David Evans publishes the first
post of several,
on his new paper which falsifies the current
model all
climate science is based
on:
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But all of the
modelling by Treasury and the Department of
Climate Change (now the Department of Environment) was
posted on the Authority's website at the time of the release of its report.
NOTE: I found the above Lindzen paper through a link in a current
post at WUWT «Diminishing returns
on climate models» by Dr. Roger Pielke Sr. [http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/11/06/diminishing-returns-
on-
climate-
models/]
Michael and Peter may be interested in the following comment
on climate models recently
posted by the Realclimate people (Modeller vs. modeller, 20 October, 2005):
«Errors in external forcing data (Santer et al's preferred explanation) Internal variability (which has been supported by numerous previous studies, including
posts at CE) Values of CO2
climate sensitivity that are too high (interesting new
post on this over at ClimateAudit) Missing physical processes in the
climate models (e.g. solar indirect effects).»
Gary Strand, a software engineer at the federally funded National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR), admitted
climate model software «doesn't meet the best standards available» in a comment he posted on the website Climate
climate model software «doesn't meet the best standards available» in a comment he
posted on the website
ClimateClimate Audit.
While
climate contrarians like Richard Lindzen tend to treat the uncertainties associated with clouds and aerosols incorrectly, as we noted in that
post, they are correct that these uncertainties preclude a precise estimate of
climate sensitivity based solely
on recent temperature changes and
model simulations of those changes.
«The recent dramatic cooling of the average heat content of the upper oceans, and thus a significant negative radiative imbalance of the
climate system for at least a two year period, that was mentioned in the Climate Science weblog posting of July 27, 2006, should be a wake - up call to the climate community that the focus on predictive modeling as the framework to communicate to policymakers on climate policy has serious issues as to its ability to accurately predict the behavior of the climate
climate system for at least a two year period, that was mentioned in the
Climate Science weblog posting of July 27, 2006, should be a wake - up call to the climate community that the focus on predictive modeling as the framework to communicate to policymakers on climate policy has serious issues as to its ability to accurately predict the behavior of the climate
Climate Science weblog
posting of July 27, 2006, should be a wake - up call to the
climate community that the focus on predictive modeling as the framework to communicate to policymakers on climate policy has serious issues as to its ability to accurately predict the behavior of the climate
climate community that the focus
on predictive
modeling as the framework to communicate to policymakers
on climate policy has serious issues as to its ability to accurately predict the behavior of the climate
climate policy has serious issues as to its ability to accurately predict the behavior of the
climate climate system.
Indeed, this dynamics suggests a major multiple harmonic influence component
on the
climate with a likely astronomical origin (sun + moon + planets) although not yet fully understood in its physical mechanisms, that, as shown in the above figures, can apparently explain also the
post 2000
climate quite satisfactorily (even by using my
model calibrated from 1850 to 1950, that is more than 50 years before the observed temperature hiatus period since 2000!).
In the most lucid comment ever
posted (arguably)
on Climate Etc, Steven Mosher concisely dissects the scientific anatomy of climate mo
Climate Etc, Steven Mosher concisely dissects the scientific anatomy of
climate mo
climate modeling.
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on Consistent with Observed Warming?
As Mike noted, we should stay focused
on the suite of (very interesting and) important scientific questions raised by this
post — especially those related to the idea of spatial / temporal patterns of
climate data in relation to concepts and
models of their likely physical causes.
Actually you may notice that in the first introducing
post, it is carefully omitted to say that
climate scientists think the current variation is highly unusual: the «unusual variation» all relies
on models, and extrapolation, not
on current measurements.
I
posted the comment
on your blog because I thought you would be interested in the math of their stochastic
model of
climate fluctations in Chapter 7 and give an assesment of the their methodolgy.
many thanks for the link to your «old
post»... IMHO, it should be
on the required reading list for all of us participating in discussions of
climate models
RealClimate is wonderful, and an excellent source of reliable information.As I've said before, methane is an extremely dangerous component to global warming.Comment # 20 is correct.There is a sharp melting point to frozen methane.A huge increase in the release of methane could happen within the next 50 years.At what point in the Earth's temperature rise and the rise of co2 would a huge methane melt occur?No one has answered that definitive issue.If I ask you all at what point would huge amounts of extra methane start melting, i.e at what temperature rise of the ocean near the Artic methane ice deposits would the methane melt, or at what point in the rise of co2 concentrations in the atmosphere would the methane melt, I believe that no one could currently tell me the actual answer as to where the sharp melting point exists.Of course, once that tipping point has been reached, and billions of tons of methane outgass from what had been locked stores of methane, locked away for an eternity, it is exactly the same as the burning of stored fossil fuels which have been stored for an eternity as well.And even though methane does not have as long a life as co2, while it is around in the air it can cause other tipping points, i.e. permafrost melting, to arrive much sooner.I will reiterate what I've said before
on this and other sites.Methane is a hugely underreported, underestimated risk.How about RealClimate attempts to
model exactly what would happen to other tipping points, such as the melting permafrost, if indeed a huge increase in the melting of the methal hydrate ice WERE to occur within the next 50 years.My amateur guess is that the huge, albeit temporary, increase in methane over even three or four decades might push other relevent tipping points to arrive much, much, sooner than they normally would, thereby vastly incresing negative feedback mechanisms.We KNOW that quick, huge, changes occured in the Earth's
climate in the past.See other relevent
posts in the past from Realclimate.
Climate often does not change slowly, but undergoes huge, quick, changes periodically, due to negative feedbacks accumulating, and tipping the
climate to a quick change.Why should the danger from huge potential methane releases be vievwed with any less trepidation?
In a recent op - ed in the Washington
Post, James Hansen at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York blamed
climate change for excessive drought, based
on six decades of measurements, not computer
models: «Our analysis shows that it is no longer enough to say that global warming will increase the likelihood of extreme weather and to repeat the caveat that no individual weather event can be directly linked to
climate change.