Predestination does not apply if God is not bound by the time and space he created.
I believe in a God with a monstrous love for EVERYBODY and double predestination doesn't fit well into that.
Double
predestination does not require that everyone start out neutral at all.
I believe that
predestination does not refer to God's choice of which people get to go to heaven, but refers instead to God's determination to bring into glory all those who receive eternal life by faith in Jesus.
Not exact matches
With apologies in advance to the Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation and online legal - advice company LegalZoom — both of which I have no doubt carry the best intentions and otherwise
do good work — and, with an additional shout out to John Calvin, tracking startup confidence seems an exercise in
predestination.
1) The Bible
DOES NOT teach
predestination 2) The Bible
DOES NOT teach that the «wicked» will suffer for all eternity in a hellfire 3) Not all people will go to Heaven
Not only
does this idea solve the problem of
predestination and free will but is much more in line with the idea of God.
A lot of people who believe in the individual election to eternal life view say they
do not believe in double
predestination because of how repulsive it is, but to me, it seems the logical conclusion.
«Christians (et al) must give up a perverse, unhealthy and inhuman doctrine of
predestination without in so
doing making God the great scapegoat of history.»
The metaphysical result was the God who
does not suffer, who is unaffected by what happens in time, the God of absolute
predestination and unfreedom.
«Absolute divine foreknowledge makes every event of the future just as absolutely certain as
does the doctrine of unconditional
predestination which declares there is a causal necessity» (FG 341).
What
does the Bible teach about gender roles, about wealth and poverty, about violence, about capital punishment, about
predestination?
BTW
predestination has nothing to
do with lost people getting saved.
You don't choose who you are and what you look like, for example, that's
Predestination, but you choose what you
do, that's Free Will, which God
DOES NOT interfere with (gives and honors,) even though He foreknows everything!
I
do not, and never have believed in the Calvinist doctrine of
predestination, so that is not an issue for me.
I definitely
do not believe in double
predestination, where God predestines some people to go to heaven and predestines others to go to hell.
But it would be a mistake to suppose that an Augustinian emphasis on original sin or
predestination (which, oddly, Pagels
does not discuss) leads inevitably to a denial of the right of civil protest or to passive submission to authority.
Even John Calvin himself believed in double -
predestination, the modern Calvinists have
done some pretty incredible mental gymnastics to try to avoid this inevitable conclusion of Calvin's doctrine of election.
But if Paul is saying what you think He is saying, then this passage must be about double -
predestination, first because they weer chosen before they had
done anything good or bad, meaning they were in fact positionally neutral, and secondly, because they were specifically chosen for apoliea or destruction.
(Incidentally, although Nichols
does uphold the Franciscan primacy of Christ, his perspective appears to embrace a
predestination of Christ's redemptive sacrifice more akin to the interpretation of Hans Urs von Balthasar (cf pp68, 74 - 75).
It
does not really seem to support
predestination as far as what I see.
Most Calvinists reject double
predestination or reprobation, and instead say that God
did not actively choose who to send to heaven and who to send to hell, but simply chose out of everyone who was already headed to hell to save a few for heaven.
However, just based on the in your face
predestination (an actual word in the Bible, unlike free will) verses and stories, if my salvation depended on it, and it doesn't, I would have to go with
predestination based on Romans 9 and Ephesians 2 specifically, plus many other verses of course.
Have you ever
done much reading about double
predestination or reprobation?
Though many Calvinists argue that double
predestination is the only logical conclusion to the Calvinist position on God's election of some (but not all) to receive eternal life, I am not going to belabor the point or try to refute the idea since most Calvinists claim that they
do not teach or believe it... (for more on reprobation and double
predestination I recommend this book: Vance: The Other Side of Calvinism, pp, 250 - 333).
If god knows that some people, before they are born, will not accept jesus as a savior (remember the whole
predestination / omniscient god thing) but allows them to be born anyway, what
does that say about the nature of god?
Presbyterians believed in
predestination; Methodists didn't.
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Predestination has to
do with the believer's future, not with the believer's past.
Election has to
do with God's people,
predestination deals with God's purposes.
As a new generation preparing to tackle the age - old debate about
predestination and free will, our positions don't have to change but our attitudes can.
So, in regard to «double
predestination,» God
does not merely «permit» the «wicked» to perish, but «wills» it.46
(Again am not saying anything about Luther * an * beliefs, of which I know very little, other than the fact that they don't believe in
predestination in the way that Luther
did.
Did I misunderstand —
do you believe in
predestination?
But, I
do want you to explain one thing: If you know that some go to heaven and some hell, and if you know that some are predestined to heaven because they receive the gift of faith and others
do not, and if you know there is no way to come to such saving faith on our own (which would be a work)... how can this be anything other than
predestination to hell for those for whom God withholds that gift?
This doctrine of radical freedom
does not mean that every possible meaning of the doctrine of
predestination is negated.
So just because someone identifies himself or herself as a Calvinist
does not mean they believe in double
predestination... and, conversely, just because someone thinks of election corporately
does not mean that they can not think of it individually as well.
What questions and issues
do you have about the biblical doctrines of election and
predestination?
Which means that all those who
do not accept Calvin's working - out of the doctrine of
predestination, are not real Christians.
«Christians must give up a perverse, unhealthy and inhuman doctrine of
predestination without in so
doing making God the great scapegoat of history».
Single -
predestination Calvinists claim that God
did not force sinners to sin, but by His predetermining the Fall of mankind, and by His unwillingness to help sinners escape sin, He rendered their sin certain, and thus actually predestined them to Gehenna.
But if
predestination is correct, we
do not actually make the choice for Christ on our own, but God enables us to make the choice, which we then automatically make even though it feels like we are making the choice on our own.
If you beleieve in
predestination as in TULIP then their isn't much for you to
do out in the community re salvation.
But Jarrett's victory on Sunday, his third in the 500, had less to
do with
predestination than with the car that Parrott, Ramey and the rest of Jarrett's crew built for him.
A few unexpected minor pleasures: the time - travel flick
Predestination, an adaptation of a Robert A. Heinlein short story that's one of those rare sci - fi movies that feels like it was made by people who read sci - fi; the horror Western Bone Tomahawk, which feels, in the best way, like someone filmed a first draft script and didn't cut anything, all its little quirks of character kept intact, narrative expediency be damned; and In The Heart Of The Sea, the cornball sea adventure of which I enjoyed every minute.
That said, enlisting Mirren and Clarke, along with Sarah Snook (
Predestination) and Eamon Farren (Twin Peaks: The Return)
does help lift the film's fortunes somewhat.
The Spierig brothers» latest sci - fi thriller
Predestination (starring Ethan Hawke, as
did Daybreakers) is complete and currently awaiting a release date.
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The directing Spierig Brothers — who, like Wan, hail from Australia, and previously helmed the more interesting Daybreakers and
Predestination — keep Jigsaw moving briskly enough and don't wallow in mean - spiritedness in the manner of some previous entries.
I didn't read this pamphlet as a Calvinist or a believer in
predestination.