Thus we hear so much about «down welling» re -
radiation from the atmosphere warming up the planet dangerously because humanity is releasing a certain amount of CO2 that would not otherwise be in the atmosphere.
Not exact matches
Some observers quietly worry that, under Trump, a new focus on climate engineering could become part of a justification for delaying government action to curb carbon emissions, with the reasoning that geoengineering technologies could later be used to remove carbon
from the
atmosphere, or prevent the
warming effects of solar
radiation.
Black carbon
warms the
atmosphere because of its ability to absorb
radiation from the sun, but its effect can be especially pernicious in polar regions, where, falling on bright ice, the soot diminishes the regions» ability to reflect away heat.
Managing how much solar
radiation streams through Earth's
atmosphere might offer fast, short - term relief
from global
warming.
The amounts that are in Pluto's
atmosphere are enough to absorb infrared
radiation (heat)
from the sun and
warm the upper
atmosphere.
The
warming trends in looking at numerous 100 year temperature plots
from northern and high elevation climate stations... i.e.
warming trends in annual mean and minimum temperature averages, winter monthly means and minimums and especially winter minimum temperatures and dewpoints... indicate climate
warming that is being driven by the accumulation of greenhouse gases in the
atmosphere — no visible effects
from other things like changes in solar
radiation or the levels of cosmic rays.
For example, they predicted the expansion of the Hadley cells, the poleward movement of storm tracks, the rising of the tropopause, the rising of the effective radiating altitude, the circulation of aerosols in the
atmosphere, the modelling of the transmission of
radiation through the
atmosphere, the clear sky super greenhouse effect that results
from increased water vapor in the tropics, the near constancy of relative humidity, and polar amplification, the cooling of the stratosphere while the troposphere
warmed.
BPL: We know
from radiation physics that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, therefore putting more in the
atmosphere should cause
warming.
Second even if we ignore convection (and assume all
warming of the
atmosphere is
from below, ie no incoming solar
radiation is absorbed in the
atmosphere) it is not the case that the
atmosphere temperatures will «pivot» around some fixed level (increasing below it and falling above it).
Absorption of thermal
radiation cools the thermal spectra of the earth as seen
from space,
radiation emitted by de-excitation is what results in the further
warming of the surface, and the surface continues to
warm until the rate at which energy is radiated
from the earth's climate system (given the increased opacity of the
atmosphere to longwave
radiation) is equal to the rate at which energy enters it.
The outgoing longwave
radiation is composed not just of the
radiation that leaks through to the top
from the
warm lower layers, but also of the «cold»
radiation emitted
from the upper
atmosphere.
What the CO2 (both «cold, hot and
warm CO2 ′) and other gasses do is to make the
atmosphere more optically thick to thermal IR
radiation emitted (mainly)
from the Earth's surface [note2] which has consequences for the equilibrium temperature profile of the
atmosphere.
Less TOA cooling will occur if bands are placed where, in the upper
atmosphere or near TOA, they absorb more of the increases in
radiation from below
from surface + tropospheric (+ lower stratospheric)
warming.
Re 346 ziarra, again: «The
radiation from a cooler upper
atmosphere can
warm the surface because it counteracts the even greater amount of
radiation in the other direction, thus reducing the net flow of heat.»
They also fail to mention that sunlight can travel tens of METRES into the water and is thus a powerful
warming agent compared to the single MILLIMETRE penetration of down welling infrared
radiation from the
atmosphere.
Increased atmospheric CO2 tends to close this window and cause outgoing
radiation to emerge
from higher, colder levels, thus
warming the surface and lower
atmosphere by the so called greenhouse mechanism»
Natural variability might modulate the flow of energy between parts of the system, such as
from ocean to
atmosphere, but the «pace of climate
warming», as in the general gain in energy (or loss of energy) of the entire climate system, can only be dictated by some external forcing, such as somthing that changes the amount of solar
radiation reaching the surface, volcanoes, or changes in GH gas concentrations.
The heat capacity of the ocean is 1,000 x greater than the
atmosphere, ocean is over 70 % of earth's surface and earth is
warmed by
radiation from sun and GHE.
Downwelling
radiation from a
warm atmosphere doesn't heat the water.
This is because, when
radiation from a cooler
atmosphere strikes a
warmer surface it undergoes «resonant scattering» (sometimes called pseudo-scattering) and this means its energy is not converted to thermal energy.
The
warmer body cools more slowly as a result because a ready source of energy
from incident
radiation is quicker to just «reflect» back into the
atmosphere, rather than have to convert its own thermal energy to radiated energy.
Since the LW
radiation from the ground is always in the azimuth hemisphere's direction and 1/2 of the reemitted photons are in the nadir hemisphere, a
radiation pressure exists here which will cause and infinitesimal but real expansion of the
atmosphere which will exactly cause a temperature decrease that exactly counteracts any
warming from the downward
radiation.
Traditional anthropogenic theory of currently observed global
warming states that release of carbon dioxide into
atmosphere (partially as a result of utilization of fossil fuels) leads to an increase in atmospheric temperature because the molecules of CO2 (and other greenhouse gases) absorb the infrared
radiation from the Earth's surface.
Tom Vonk is correct when he says that the following statements are over-simplifications and need corrections (in caps): «CO2 absorbs AND EMITS the outgoing infrared energy and
warms the
atmosphere TO A HIGHER TEMPERATURE THAN IT WOULD HAVE WITHOUT CO2» — or — «CO2 traps part of the infrared radiation between ground and the upper part of the atmosphere» AND IS THE MAJOR SOURCE OF INFRARED RADIATION FROM THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE
atmosphere TO A HIGHER TEMPERATURE THAN IT WOULD HAVE WITHOUT CO2» — or — «CO2 traps part of the infrared
radiation between ground and the upper part of the atmosphere» AND IS THE MAJOR SOURCE OF INFRARED RADIATION FROM THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE
radiation between ground and the upper part of the
atmosphere» AND IS THE MAJOR SOURCE OF INFRARED RADIATION FROM THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE
atmosphere» AND IS THE MAJOR SOURCE OF INFRARED
RADIATION FROM THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE
RADIATION FROM THE UPPER
ATMOSPHEREATMOSPHERE TO SPACE.
Downward long - wave or infrared
radiation from the
atmosphere to the surface is a vital component to
warming the Earth's surface.
Not sure if you meant the double negative here, but just to clarify matters,
radiation from a cooler
atmosphere is not converted to thermal energy when it meets a
warmer surface because its frequency is below the cut - off.
We hqppen to have such a star that delivers EM energy to the bottom of the transparent
atmosphere, and that energy
warms the bottom of the
atmosphere by all the well known thermal processes, until the energy loss rate, eventually limited by
radiation, matches the supply rate
from the star.
Q. 2: Does this extend to the oceans and / or land surfaces and thus imply that a
warmer solid or liquid surface does not absorb
radiation from a cooler
atmosphere?
Briefly, the
warmer body (Earth's surface) is not affected by
radiation from the cooler one (the
atmosphere) because that
radiation does not have enough energy (high enough frequency) to bring about the conversion of its energy into thermal energy.
There is this idea that floats around the climate skeptic blogosphere that somehow a cold body does not radiate AT ALL to a
warmer object, as if
radiation from the cool
atmosphere to the
warm ground violates the 2nd Law.
If
radiation from a cooler
atmosphere could
warm the oceans then it should be able to melt frost, but it doesn't.
Earth's
atmosphere also plays a vital role in regulating the temperature by providing a blanket of gases that not only protects us
from excessive heat and harmful
radiation from the sun, but also traps heat rising
from the Earth's interior, keeping us
warm.
As you are above the low altitude clouds and a good deal of the
atmosphere there, I'd expect incoming solar
radiation (however the sensor is shielded) and reflected short wave
from lower clouds to cause a
warm bias if anything.
Global
warming starts with the greenhouse effect, which is created by the relationship between the
radiation from the sun and the Earth's
atmosphere.
«The ability of a planetary
atmosphere to inhibit heat loss
from the planet's surface, thereby enhancing the surface
warming that is produced by the absorption of solar
radiation.
And in any case, heat does not flow
from the cold
atmosphere to the
warmer surface, either by conduction, or
radiation.
This must result in about 85 times as much infrared
radiation from the Sun, at 3.3 microns wavelength, being sent back into space by the absorption and re-
radiation from methane molecules in the upper
atmosphere as could be re-radiated into the lower
atmosphere for infrared
radiation sourced
from the
warmed Earth.
The light
from the Sun passes through the Earth's
atmosphere, which is transparent to visible light (that's why our eyes evolved to be sensitive to this kind of electromagnetic
radiation), and
warms the surface of the Earth, which in turn reradiates the energy, now as infrared
radiation, because the Earth's surface isn't as hot as the Sun.
With 2), there's still something I don't get... and this applies just as much to your answer as to any answers you would get
from climate science, since clouds are clouds (i.e droplets of water), and water vapour is a gas, so their back -
radiation explanation doesn't even apply in the case of clouds (not saying it physically could apply anywhere but hopefully you get what I mean)... what I don't get is, you liken them to a blanket, but a blanket is next to you, clouds are separated
from the surface by quite a bit of
atmosphere — so why is it
warmer the next morning at the surface when the clouds are there?
Then, for the benefit of the lay reader, who would not be expected to understand the clear (to a competent physical scientist) implication of this simply - stated fact, I wrote: «This in fact indicates that the Venusian
atmosphere is heated mainly by incident infrared [not the VISIBLE portion, which is indeed largely reflected, defenders, but INFRARED]
radiation from the Sun, WHICH IS NOT REFLECTED BUT ABSORBED [or allowed in to heat the lower
atmosphere] by Venus's clouds, rather than by
warming first of the planetary surface.
«The greenhouse effect is the process by which
radiation from a planet's
atmosphere warms the planet's surface to a temperature above what it would be without its
atmosphere.»
Thus CO2 does indeed
warm the lower
atmosphere for a hundred metres or so and that shields the CO2 above
from any further surface
radiation (at the CO2 spectra remember).
The greenhouse effect is the process by which
radiation from the planet's
atmosphere [back
radiation]
warms the planet's [lower
atmosphere] above what it would be if it had an
atmosphere without any GHG's — a very different situation.
For example, in a
warmer climate, more water vapor is evaporated into the
atmosphere and since water vapor is a greenhouse gas in the sense of absorbing IR
radiation, this is a positive feedback, in essence increasing the W / m ^ 2
from that due to CO2 alone.
There is no need for James Hansen's explanation in which he realises that extra energy is needed to explain the
warm surface temperature, but quite incorrectly assumes it is supplied by
radiation from the colder
atmosphere, including some
from carbon dioxide molecules.
I didn't mention the obvious fact that you stated, that the heating will cease, when the upper
atmosphere warms enough to restore the equilibrium between
radiation leaving the earth and arriving
from the sun.
29 21.3 Climate Changes Human Impact on Climate Changes The Greenhouse Effect • The greenhouse effect is a natural
warming of both Earth's lower
atmosphere and Earth's surface
from solar
radiation being absorbed and emitted by the
atmosphere.
Anthropogenic global
warming is caused by an increase in the amount of downward longwave infrared
radiation coming
from greenhouse gases in the
atmosphere.
Similarly if you change the composition of the
atmosphere by introducing large quantities of a greenhouse gas that causes greater back -
radiation of infra - red towards the surface of the surface
from the air, then over a climatic period of time the seas will get
warmer.
The effect of this disparity is that thermal
radiation escaping to space comes mostly
from the cold upper
atmosphere, while the surface is maintained at a substantially
warmer temperature.