Memphis October 14, 2012 at 5:24 pm Myrrh's basic problem is that he doesn't seems to understand that
radiation from the sun warms the earth.
Myrrh's basic problem is that he doesn't seems to understand that
radiation from the sun warms the earth.
Not exact matches
The
sun's
warming radiation drives circulation
from the equator to the subtropics.
On Earth, temperature inversion occurs because ozone in the stratosphere absorbs much of the
sun's ultraviolet
radiation, preventing it
from reaching the surface, protecting the biosphere, and therefore
warming the stratosphere instead.
Black carbon
warms the atmosphere because of its ability to absorb
radiation from the
sun, but its effect can be especially pernicious in polar regions, where, falling on bright ice, the soot diminishes the regions» ability to reflect away heat.
The amounts that are in Pluto's atmosphere are enough to absorb infrared
radiation (heat)
from the
sun and
warm the upper atmosphere.
In many Mediterranean climates there is a strong diurnal character to daily temperatures in the
warm summer months, due to the great loss of ultraviolet
radiation from the
sun at night.
Of course this is a global average but in principle I see no reason not to consider that some large percentage of the energy
warming the tropical Pacific will be
from «back
radiation» (for which CO2 will be partly responsible) and thus not «direct
from the
sun.»
I ask because my limited understanding is that temperature is related to kinetic energy, but would not register an overall increase in potential energy, in which case energy
from the
sun could be partitioned in heat energy emitted
from the planet and work used to increase potential energy, possibly allowing an energy balance that does not require a
radiation balance, and also does not require a
warming effect.
The temperature around the world is now increasing and TSI (Total Solar Irradiance) I think solar cycle can cause global
warming because our temperature is increasing by
radiation from the
sun which comes
from solar cycle too.
Surface temperature is an imperfect gauge of whether the earth has been
warmed by an imbalance between incoming
radiation from the
sun, and outgoing
radiation, because of the role of ocean currents in the distribution of heat between deeper and surface waters.
Waters at this depth can not be
warmed directly by the
sun or greenhouse effect as solar
radiation penetrates only to 100 metres depth, while infra - red
radiation from the greenhouse effect can only
warm the immediate surface «skin» of the ocean.
To me, it is more likely the fluctuation in E-UV coming
from the
sun that causes the
warming and cooling effects by changing the reactions that are happening on TOA, i.e. O3, HxOx and NOx are rising now, causing more back
radiation of F - UV, meaning less energy going in the oceans.
So we can blame the
sun for the Holocene period, but even though solar
radiation has increased right along with the temperature in the 20th century, we are assuming that the
warming is due to the minute increase of atmospheric CO2
from humans?
The heat capacity of the ocean is 1,000 x greater than the atmosphere, ocean is over 70 % of earth's surface and earth is
warmed by
radiation from sun and GHE.
At one point Dr. Chu thought that painting roofs and other structures white would help reflect the
sun's
radiation and save the nation and the world
from global
warming.
ok myrrh, if the only
radiation that comes
from the
sun is visible light that can not
warm us, why does standing out in the
sun feel
warm?
Seems everyone agrees A — the earth is
warmed by infrared
radiation directly
from the
sun, which is thereby absorbed, converted into heat energy.
Myrrh, unless you can show that
radiation from the
sun does not
warm the earth, you are wasting your time, just spouting junk - science.
Memphis October 16, 2012 at 1:43 am Myrrh So you are nowfinally going to stop pretending that
radiation from the
sun can not
warm us?
B — the earth is not
warmed by the visible
radiation from the
sun.
What I am saying, listen carefully now, is that the
radiation from the
Sun which actually
warms you is [DRUM ROLL] invisible!
In fact, on average through day and night and over a whole year over the whole Earth's surface, downward infrared
radiation is more important than downward solar
radiation from the
Sun in
warming the surface.»
Earth's atmosphere also plays a vital role in regulating the temperature by providing a blanket of gases that not only protects us
from excessive heat and harmful
radiation from the
sun, but also traps heat rising
from the Earth's interior, keeping us
warm.
Global
warming starts with the greenhouse effect, which is created by the relationship between the
radiation from the
sun and the Earth's atmosphere.
And this is what really supplies the necessary thermal energy to supplement the
Sun's energy entering Earth's surface, not back
radiation which can't transfer thermal energy
from a colder troposphere to a
warmer surface.
This must result in about 85 times as much infrared
radiation from the
Sun, at 3.3 microns wavelength, being sent back into space by the absorption and re-
radiation from methane molecules in the upper atmosphere as could be re-radiated into the lower atmosphere for infrared
radiation sourced
from the
warmed Earth.
When SW
radiation from the
Sun interacts with matter (the Earth, for example) it imparts energy to the receiving molecules which can increase the thermal energy of the matter — it fills the «energy gap» required to reach the next energy level (
warm).
The light
from the
Sun passes through the Earth's atmosphere, which is transparent to visible light (that's why our eyes evolved to be sensitive to this kind of electromagnetic
radiation), and
warms the surface of the Earth, which in turn reradiates the energy, now as infrared
radiation, because the Earth's surface isn't as hot as the
Sun.
Then, for the benefit of the lay reader, who would not be expected to understand the clear (to a competent physical scientist) implication of this simply - stated fact, I wrote: «This in fact indicates that the Venusian atmosphere is heated mainly by incident infrared [not the VISIBLE portion, which is indeed largely reflected, defenders, but INFRARED]
radiation from the
Sun, WHICH IS NOT REFLECTED BUT ABSORBED [or allowed in to heat the lower atmosphere] by Venus's clouds, rather than by
warming first of the planetary surface.
«This H2O negative - feedback effect on CO2 is ignored in models that assume that
warm moist air does not rise and form sunlight - reflecting clouds, but remains as humid air near sea level, absorbing infrared
radiation from the
sun, and approximately doubling the temperature rises predicted
from atmospheric CO2 increases.
You also have to bear in mind that UHI isn't just about having the potential to artificially raise maximum temperatures, but more significant is the effect it has on reducing the extremes of night time minimums;
sun -
warmed asphalt / concrete,
radiation from warm buildings and
warm air
from AC vents are the key to the UHI effect.
northern Scandinavia) cloudy days in November and December are typically
warmer than cloud - free days because the Earth's surface has a net
radiation loss at the time (i.e. outgoing heat loss exceeds
radiation received
from the
sun).
That is proof that the longwave
radiation from the Earth has reached to the
Sun and some of it will impact into the
Sun and, ever so slightly,
warm it.
Clouds can have a double effect on
radiation: they
warm the earth by reducing the amount of
radiation from the earth that escapes into space but also cool the earth by reflecting the
sun's rays back into space.
Now the
sun would be expected to set up an undisturbed gradient
from cold at the bottom to
warm at the top but it does not because upward
radiation from the surface plus energy drawn upwards by evaporation at the surface creates a layer 1 mm deep near the surface (the subskin) which is 0.3 C cooler than the water below it.
I didn't mention the obvious fact that you stated, that the heating will cease, when the upper atmosphere
warms enough to restore the equilibrium between
radiation leaving the earth and arriving
from the
sun.
However, the point is simply this: As long as you have an IR - absorbing atmosphere that is at a nonzero temperature, the earth's surface will have to be at a
warmer temperature (in order to radiate away the energy that it receives
from the
sun) than it would be if the atmosphere did not absorb any of the IR
radiation that the earth emits.
By capturing thermal
radiation (heat energy emitted
from the earth's surface components and re radiating it in all directions — part of the same process that is accepted (somewhat like the «earth revolves around the
sun accepted») to keep the planet much
warmer than it would otherwise be in the absence of any of these molecules — it actually «cools.»
It is most correct to say that because of back -
radiation (in combination with the
radiation from the
sun), the earth is
warmer than it would be if all the
radiation from its surface escaped into space.
The downturn in temperature since the 1940s, whether due to a variation in the
Sun's
radiation or some other natural cause, could indeed change to a natural upturn that would add to greenhouse
warming instead of subtracting
from it.
Past interglacial
warming were triggered by sharp spikes in solar irradiation associated with the Earth's position relative to the
sun (Milankovic cycles), with consequent feedback release of greenhouse gas (CO2, CH4)
from the oceans and the biosphere, resulting in atmospheric infrared
radiation effects and in melting of ice sheets, which amplify global
warming.
To understand why our climate
warms or cools we need to know how much
radiation is coming in
from the
sun and how much the earth is radiating out into empty space.
Nice theory, but, a large part of the UHI effect is retained heat
from insolation (incoming solar
radiation energy
warming concrete etc) and, if no
sun, no warmth... which in large part happened in Dallas Ft. Worth just recently with our record snow; and we had continuing overcast afterwards too.