Fred Souder says (February 21, 2011 at 3:02 pm):» Again,
radiative heat transfer ONLY occurs in the direction from a hot source to a cold source.»
Not exact matches
The fact is that
Radiative Heat Transfer accounts for only 19 % of the overall transfer of energy from the surface to the atm
Transfer accounts for
only 19 % of the overall
transfer of energy from the surface to the atm
transfer of energy from the surface to the atmosphere.
As you say, convection uses up a lot of energy too and also counters the idea of
radiative heat transfer as a big ticket item because «hot» CO2 molecules
only remain so for a brief fraction of a second before they collide with N2 or O2 to warm that localised parcel of air; which then rises to attain equilibrium T somewhere higher and at a COLDER temp so no rad Transf!!!
«The dual wave and particle nature of radiation is recognised, but it is considered more appropriate, and indeed necessary, for an understanding of
radiative heat transfer to consider the frequencies and intensities associated with the wave nature of radiation, for
only then can the one - way
transfer of
heat be described and quantified in a meaningful manner.»
In air, the
radiative heat transfer flux for 0.9 emissivity steel only exceeds natural convection at c. 100 deg C. For aluminium it's about 300 deg C. Check any of the standard engineering texts, e.g. McAdam «Heat Transfer» to confirm (it's in the tables of combined heat transfer coefficien
heat transfer flux for 0.9 emissivity steel only exceeds natural convection at c. 100 deg C. For aluminium it's about 300 deg C. Check any of the standard engineering texts, e.g. McAdam «Heat Transfer» to confirm (it's in the tables of combined heat transfer coeffi
transfer flux for 0.9 emissivity steel
only exceeds natural convection at c. 100 deg C. For aluminium it's about 300 deg C. Check any of the standard engineering texts, e.g. McAdam «
Heat Transfer» to confirm (it's in the tables of combined heat transfer coefficien
Heat Transfer» to confirm (it's in the tables of combined heat transfer coeffi
Transfer» to confirm (it's in the tables of combined
heat transfer coefficien
heat transfer coeffi
transfer coefficients).
The dynamics of the system are governed by the lapse rate which is «anchored» to the ground and whose variations are dependent not
only on convection, latent
heat changes and conduction but also
radiative transfer.
There is some conduction at the surface from the atmosphere, and there is some
radiative heating at, and just below the surface, but that
heat will
only transfer through the water itself through convection.
It is not «conduction» but exchange of radiation; if you keep your hands parallel at a distance of some cm the right hand does not (radiatively) «warm» the left hand or vice versa albeit at 33 °C skin temperature they exchange some hundreds of W / m ² (about 500 W / m ²) The solar radiation reaching the surface (for 71 % of the surface, the oceans) is lost by evaporation (or evapotranspiration of the vegetation), plus some convection (20 W / ²) and some radiation reaching the cosmos directly through the window 8µm to 12 µm (about 20 W / m ² «global» average);
only the
radiative heat flow surface to air (absorbed by the air) is negligible (plus or minus); the non
radiative (latent
heat, sensible
heat) are
transferred for surface to air and compensate for a part of the
heat lost to the cosmos by the upper layer of the water vapour displayed on figure 6 - C.
First,
radiative heat transfer will
only occur with the approximately 2 % of the gaseous molecules that are IR active.
Therefore it is
only the net energy flows which need be considered when estimating the
radiative heat transfers in the diagram.
According to Lindzen, if there were
only radiative transfer of
heat, that 323w / m2 of backradiation would create a greenhouse effect of 77C instead of 15C [288K]; the greenhouse effect is
only working at less than 25 % of its potential.
Radiative heat transfer is not the
only mechanism, and some of what is observed today is not explained: on another thread is a discussion of clouds.
Or it may be that as an instantaneous solution to
radiative transfer, HITRAN is ok, but to the question of non-instantaneous energy
transfer from the surface to the TOA which necessarily includes convection and
transfer of energy by latent
heat of vaporisation and more... then it
only tells part of the story.